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22-12-2013, 09:51 PM
RE: Are false beliefs ok?
(22-12-2013 09:47 PM)Cephalotus Wrote:  I can't legally stop people from having wacky beliefs or raising their children with them...but I'm always going to do everything within my power to make people wake up from them.

For one, I don't want people to live in fantasy worlds unless there is no other alternative for them. For two, I have a right to be concerned with how the people in my community vote and what things they will fight for.
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22-12-2013, 09:58 PM
RE: Are false beliefs ok?
(22-12-2013 09:49 PM)The Misanthrope Wrote:  If you can come up with a word that insinuates Christians are more evil than Nazis I'll gladly use it. Yes

US Christian Right? Sorry, that's not a single word.

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22-12-2013, 10:05 PM
RE: Are false beliefs ok?
Personally, religious beliefs aren't a particular bother to me. It's when religious people get in their self-righteous mode of "My religion is the truth and all others must fall in line!" that I have a problem with. So long as they stay out of that mode, I have no issues with it.

A good example is this: A friend of mine in Ireland has a dad that is in his late 80s. His dad was devastated by the passing of his mom 2 years ago (they were married over 50 years). He said that the thing that really keeps his dad going is his belief that he will see his wife again after he dies. I wouldn't want to go telling this wonderful man that he will never see his wife again. In situations like that, just let it be. He's a great person with a great heart and that is all that matters. He doesn't go spouting his Catholic beliefs and judging people, so let the man hold onto his beliefs.

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22-12-2013, 10:19 PM
RE: Are false beliefs ok?
No, but they can be tolerated if they don't cause harm to that person or anyone by association.

Theism is to believe what other people claim, Atheism is to ask "why should I".
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22-12-2013, 10:30 PM
RE: Are false beliefs ok?
“As to whether it makes believers happy or gives them strength is not the point. If people live their lives based on beliefs that are a pack of lies, however moral and charitable those lives may be, does that still make it acceptable? Shouldn’t people strive to be good out of basic human compassion, and not by having imaginary relationships with a non-existent deity based on those lies in order to feel good about themselves?”
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22-12-2013, 10:36 PM
RE: Are false beliefs ok?
(22-12-2013 10:30 PM)Diogenes of Mayberry Wrote:  “As to whether it makes believers happy or gives them strength is not the point. If people live their lives based on beliefs that are a pack of lies, however moral and charitable those lives may be, does that still make it acceptable? Shouldn’t people strive to be good out of basic human compassion, and not by having imaginary relationships with a non-existent deity based on those lies in order to feel good about themselves?”
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If a person is good, who am I to judge them on what drives them to be good?
I am against indoctrinating children, but apart from that I don't believe I have any more right to stop their beliefs as they do to force mine.
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22-12-2013, 11:16 PM (This post was last modified: 22-12-2013 11:20 PM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Are false beliefs ok?
(22-12-2013 06:40 PM)Chas Wrote:  People have the right to believe what they will.

But people do not have a right to their own 'facts'.

Indeed. However we know that we all harbor false beliefs, and I'm not sure we could (or should) eradicate them all. For example, the Earth being stationary. Relative to us we don't just believe, we think we know, that the Earth is solid and stationary. However we do now know that the Earth rotates about it's axis at ~1670 km/h (at the equator) itself moving around the Sun at ~108000 km/h, and our solar system moving inside the spiral arm of the Milky Way as the galaxy speeds through space (on a collision course with Andromeda) with the expansion of the observable universe. Most humans, for most of human history, got along just fine in their day to day lives thinking they lived on a flat stationary Earth.

We also believe that we can see perfectly fine, most of us never confronting the blind spot we do in fact have as a matter of the flaws in the design of our eyes. Many parents think that their children are the most important things in the world. If left unchecked, this can lead to raising spoiled entitled little shits. However if tempered with facts and empathy, that instant can lead total strangers to risk their lives to save other people children (even as a profession, such a firefighting). When making snap decisions, our brains make use of simple heuristics so that we can come to a decision quickly and decisively. Under these circumstance we can believe we are right (and it may work at the time), even if we are demonstrably wrong. Our brains are not perfect, but they do their best to fill in the holes and the mistakes. This leads to plenty of false beliefs, and it could be argued that being able to operate this way is evolutionary advantageous. However in light of modern knowledge, we also have plenty of example of how deleterious such false beliefs can be.

We all have false beliefs, the trick is to make sure to always do our best to temper them with facts.

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23-12-2013, 12:24 AM
RE: Are false beliefs ok?
(22-12-2013 10:36 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  
(22-12-2013 10:30 PM)Diogenes of Mayberry Wrote:  “As to whether it makes believers happy or gives them strength is not the point. If people live their lives based on beliefs that are a pack of lies, however moral and charitable those lives may be, does that still make it acceptable? Shouldn’t people strive to be good out of basic human compassion, and not by having imaginary relationships with a non-existent deity based on those lies in order to feel good about themselves?”
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If a person is good, who am I to judge them on what drives them to be good?
I am against indoctrinating children, but apart from that I don't believe I have any more right to stop their beliefs as they do to force mine.

If a certain people are patently evil by what they believe and what their unquestioned ideology tells them to force others to believe, then IMO they are enemies of humanity and on a par with the Japs and Germans of WW2.

German civilians were bombed back to the Stein Age by the surreptitiously predatory but to the capitalistically programmed hoi polloi, the unimpeachable forces of decency or "the Allies" - because some of them loved Hitler. Now even Ray Charles can see that Bible God is manifestly more evil than Hitler. So why is it that we don't try to extirpate his followers, the quasi-Nazi* ego-tripping Christian cunts, too?

On the contrary, our Christian inculcated supposedly secular society servilely puts these superior-than-thou narcissistic pricks on a pedestal and positively discriminates in their favour in all manner of things. Whereas non-Christians are positively and comprehensively punished by the same forcibly bible brainwashed society, simply for not being self-aggrandising, well-nigh** Nazi Christian upstarts.

DEATH TO THE IMPERIALIST CHRISTIAN CAPITALIST MASTERS!! Yes







* and ** I'm not allowda equate poor misguided Christians to Nazis.
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23-12-2013, 12:39 AM
RE: Are false beliefs ok?
(23-12-2013 12:24 AM)The Misanthrope Wrote:  
(22-12-2013 10:36 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  If a person is good, who am I to judge them on what drives them to be good?
I am against indoctrinating children, but apart from that I don't believe I have any more right to stop their beliefs as they do to force mine.

If a certain people are patently evil by what they believe and what their unquestioned ideology tells them to force others to believe, then IMO they are enemies of humanity and on a par with the Japs and Germans of WW2.

German civilians were bombed back to the Stein Age by the surreptitiously predatory but to the capitalistically programmed hoi polloi, the unimpeachable forces of decency or "the Allies" - because some of them loved Hitler. Now even Ray Charles can see that Bible God is manifestly more evil than Hitler. So why is it that we don't try to extirpate his followers, the quasi-Nazi* ego-tripping Christian cunts, too?

On the contrary, our Christian inculcated supposedly secular society servilely puts these superior-than-thou narcissistic pricks on a pedestal and positively discriminates in their favour in all manner of things. Whereas non-Christians are positively and comprehensively punished by the same forcibly bible brainwashed society, simply for not being self-aggrandising, well-nigh** Nazi Christian upstarts.

DEATH TO THE IMPERIALIST CHRISTIAN CAPITALIST MASTERS!! Yes







* and ** I'm not allowda equate poor misguided Christians to Nazis.

We were talking about good people, love, not evil people.
What is the obsession with Hitler?
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23-12-2013, 12:53 AM
RE: Are false beliefs ok?
(23-12-2013 12:39 AM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  
(23-12-2013 12:24 AM)The Misanthrope Wrote:  If a certain people are patently evil by what they believe and what their unquestioned ideology tells them to force others to believe, then IMO they are enemies of humanity and on a par with the Japs and Germans of WW2.

German civilians were bombed back to the Stein Age by the surreptitiously predatory but to the capitalistically programmed hoi polloi, the unimpeachable forces of decency or "the Allies" - because some of them loved Hitler. Now even Ray Charles can see that Bible God is manifestly more evil than Hitler. So why is it that we don't try to extirpate his followers, the quasi-Nazi* ego-tripping Christian cunts, too?

On the contrary, our Christian inculcated supposedly secular society servilely puts these superior-than-thou narcissistic pricks on a pedestal and positively discriminates in their favour in all manner of things. Whereas non-Christians are positively and comprehensively punished by the same forcibly bible brainwashed society, simply for not being self-aggrandising, well-nigh** Nazi Christian upstarts.

DEATH TO THE IMPERIALIST CHRISTIAN CAPITALIST MASTERS!! Yes







* and ** I'm not allowda equate poor misguided Christians to Nazis.

We were talking about good people, love, not evil people.
What is the obsession with Hitler?

"Good people" wouldn't see a scintilla of good in the Christian's blood thirsty penny dreadful and wouldn't dirty their hands, let alone their minds, by even touching it pornographic pages. Saying Christians are good is like saying those who live their lives by the tenets of Mein Kampf are kindly, peace loving, non-prejudiced people who should be understood not condemned! Heil Lenin!
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