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11-01-2016, 01:00 PM
RE: Are some of my concerns legitimate???
(11-01-2016 10:35 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Interestingly, plenty of people absolutely lost their shit about a hundred years ago when large Jewish populations started moving into cities like New York or Montreal. And today it's Judeo-Christian team-ups against the new "other". So it goes.

You mean white Judeo-Christians. Us brown ones tend to be just as weary of the white ones as the muslims. And I don't think many black people are worried about Muslims attacking the projects.

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11-01-2016, 01:03 PM
RE: Are some of my concerns legitimate???
(11-01-2016 01:00 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(11-01-2016 10:35 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Interestingly, plenty of people absolutely lost their shit about a hundred years ago when large Jewish populations started moving into cities like New York or Montreal. And today it's Judeo-Christian team-ups against the new "other". So it goes.

You mean white Judeo-Christians. Us brown ones tend to be just as weary of the white ones as the muslims. And I don't think many black people are worried about Muslims attacking the projects.

Identity is multivariate. Your anecdotal sentiments are one thing; polling data is quite another.

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11-01-2016, 01:05 PM
RE: Are some of my concerns legitimate???
Let's list a few of the background factors...

Publishing:
Access to the means of producing vast quantities of information; knowledge available to all classes; cheaply produced and largely uncensored in many languages (much of it porn); including critiques of Jesus, Mohammed and Moses.

The rise of atheism.

Rapid advances in technology.

Bellicosity:
1. Persecution of believers - convert or die or flee ... creating mass emigration; quarter of a million refugees heading for mainly Europe
2. Turbulence of civil wars / revolutions

This all enables a tinderbox within civil societies.

Sound familiar?


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11-01-2016, 01:05 PM (This post was last modified: 11-01-2016 01:20 PM by Tomasia.)
RE: Are some of my concerns legitimate???
(11-01-2016 01:03 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(11-01-2016 01:00 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  You mean white Judeo-Christians. Us brown ones tend to be just as weary of the white ones as the muslims. And I don't think many black people are worried about Muslims attacking the projects.

Identity is multivariate. Your anecdotal sentiments are one thing; polling data is quite another.

No, you and others continually inflate the Judeo-Christian experience according to the ethnicity that you predominantly identify with. When in fact there's considerable disparity among them.

And just to provide some polling data from the pew:

"Jews Rated Most Positively by Whites; Evangelicals and Muslims Viewed More Favorably by Blacks than Whites

Jews receive their most positive ratings from whites, who give them an average rating of 66. Jews also are rated favorably by blacks and Hispanics (with each group giving Jews an average rating of 58). Evangelicals also are rated positively by all three groups, with their highest average rating coming from blacks (68). Muslims receive a neutral rating from blacks (49 on average), but they are rated more negatively by whites (38). Hispanics’ ratings of Muslims fall in between (43)."

http://www.pewforum.org/2014/07/16/how-a...us-groups/

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11-01-2016, 01:24 PM
RE: Are some of my concerns legitimate???
(11-01-2016 01:05 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(11-01-2016 01:03 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Identity is multivariate. Your anecdotal sentiments are one thing; polling data is quite another.

No, you and others continually inflate the Judeo-Christian experience according to the ethnicity that you predominantly identify with.

Do I? That's a new one.

Please, show me when and where. I'd love to know.

(11-01-2016 01:05 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  When in fact there's considerable disparity among them.

Indeed. I never said otherwise.

I invite you to consider public polling on religious sentiments in the United States. Such results are, of course, broken down by ethnicity as well. In your desperate quest to accuse me of bias somehow (?) I guess you figured the actual numbers didn't matter. I nonetheless present them for your consideration.

EDIT: I find it curious that you link to the same poll, given that it does nothing to substantiate your claims. Oh, well.

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11-01-2016, 01:25 PM
RE: Are some of my concerns legitimate???
(11-01-2016 01:24 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(11-01-2016 01:05 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  No, you and others continually inflate the Judeo-Christian experience according to the ethnicity that you predominantly identify with.

Do I? That's a new one.

Please, show me when and where. I'd love to know.

(11-01-2016 01:05 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  When in fact there's considerable disparity among them.

Indeed. I never said otherwise.

I invite you to consider public polling on religious sentiments in the United States. Such results are, of course, broken down by ethnicity as well. In your desperate quest to accuse me of bias somehow (?) I guess you figured the actual numbers didn't matter. I nonetheless present them for your consideration.

It seems I already beat you to citing the pew, mid-editing.

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11-01-2016, 01:29 PM
RE: Are some of my concerns legitimate???
(11-01-2016 01:25 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(11-01-2016 01:24 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Do I? That's a new one.

Please, show me when and where. I'd love to know.


Indeed. I never said otherwise.

I invite you to consider public polling on religious sentiments in the United States. Such results are, of course, broken down by ethnicity as well. In your desperate quest to accuse me of bias somehow (?) I guess you figured the actual numbers didn't matter. I nonetheless present them for your consideration.

It seems I already beat you to citing the pew, mid-editing.

Without, apparently, understanding either me or it.

Religious and racial identity coexist. Therefore, trivially, religious and racial perception of the 'other' coexist. I, of course, never said otherwise.

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11-01-2016, 01:30 PM (This post was last modified: 11-01-2016 01:37 PM by Tomasia.)
RE: Are some of my concerns legitimate???
(11-01-2016 01:24 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(11-01-2016 01:05 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  No, you and others continually inflate the Judeo-Christian experience according to the ethnicity that you predominantly identify with.

Do I? That's a new one.

Please, show me when and where. I'd love to know.

When you refer to Judeo-Christian attitudes towards muslims, and then took issue when I pointed out that you're almost exclusively referring to white judeo-Christian attitudes.

In fact even your pew study shows, that among black christians, the attitudes towards muslims is neutral, unlike among whites who view them negatively.

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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11-01-2016, 01:36 PM
RE: Are some of my concerns legitimate???
(11-01-2016 01:30 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(11-01-2016 01:24 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Do I? That's a new one.

Please, show me when and where. I'd love to know.

When you refer to Judeo-Christian attitudes towards muslims, and then took issue when I pointed out that your almost exclusively referring to white judeo-Christian attitudes.

Except, I wasn't. You just declared that you knew what I must have "meant".

I take issue you with inventing things for me to have said.

(11-01-2016 01:30 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  In fact even your pew study shows, that among black americans, who predominantly christians even more so than whites, the attitudes towards muslims is neutral, unlike among whites where that view is negative.

In what universe does an eleven point gap out of a hundred constitute some definitive qualitative difference? For that matter, if we filter out actual Muslims, the gap is 9 points on a margin of error of 8 and 3. I'm not saying that means there isn't still a small difference, but it certain re-affirms that the actual data matter far less to you than finding an excuse to pretend to righteousness.
(incidentally, the PEW figures also show that there are more black Muslims than white, as a proportion, so you're wrong about that too)

You're really reaching on this straw man, friendo.

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11-01-2016, 01:48 PM
RE: Are some of my concerns legitimate???
Do you guys wanna take your squabble to the Boxing Ring?

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Bemore,
Lemme know if you want me to edit the thread.

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