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06-11-2012, 07:49 PM
RE: Are you an atheist for a reason?
When I don't buy into bullshit religions, by definition I become an atheist. I didn't choose atheism. The word simply defines my lack of belief. If there was a word describing people who are non-golfers, I would be that too. I'm not a non-golfer because some country club declined my application.

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06-11-2012, 07:51 PM
RE: Are you an atheist for a reason?
(06-11-2012 07:49 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  When I don't buy into bullshit religions, by definition I become an atheist. I didn't choose atheism. The word simply defines my lack of belief. If there was a word describing people who are non-golfers, I would be that too. I'm not a non-golfer because some country club declined my application.
Your a non-golfer because you have not seen the light. Yes Come, join us, do not be afraid. Smile

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06-11-2012, 07:59 PM
RE: Are you an atheist for a reason?
(06-11-2012 04:01 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  I'm an atheist cuz it pays well. Tongue


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06-11-2012, 08:09 PM
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(06-11-2012 07:43 PM)jmiah Wrote:  I'm not an atheist for a reason but rather atheist BECAUSE of reason.
I beat ya to that sitting duck hours ago. Wink

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06-11-2012, 11:27 PM
RE: Are you an atheist for a reason?
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I'd say it's half and half with me. I'd have been perfectly happy to go on believing like a good sheep. But I like science, I don't like random discrimination, and asking questions was met with blank expressions. I got frustrated that no one, not even the pastors, would take me seriously. I mean... they'd say things like "you're young, it'll make sense in time"... OK fair enough, but how long do I have to wait? They only preached touchy-feely sermons about loving your neighbour and all that... great, but seriously, is that *all* ? I go to church for hours on a Sunday and listen to some clown go on and on about how much God wants us to love our neighbours ? But it's not like I feel like shooting them all the time, damn it, give me something more...

And then you ask a question and everyone looks at you like you're the spawn of Satan. Well I am, but they didn't know that. They have this little thing they say "question your faith, it's not wrong to ask questions"... but the best bit was tacked on by my friend, who didn't even realise the irony of what he was saying: "as long as you come to the right answer"... I suppose that sounds innocuous, but what he meant was "the right answer which you already knew before you asked the question".

So yeah. That frustration with the too-pat, too-easy answers and the lack of back-up when you dig even a little below the surface... that's what initially made me think "OK this is bullshit"... followed by several years worth of deprogramming, including an interesting period where I tried to force myself to believe... The *reason* ultimately that I'm an atheist is that the Christian church which I was brought up in can't deliver the goods as far as knowledge is concerned.
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07-11-2012, 04:16 AM (This post was last modified: 07-11-2012 04:36 AM by Tartarus Sauce.)
RE: Are you an atheist for a reason?
(06-11-2012 02:34 PM)Aseptic Skeptic Wrote:  I do like porn though. Practically an addict. That is on the no-no list for many religions, including my local favorite, Mormons.
Interestingly enough, studies show that in the US, consumption of pornographic materials is actually highest in strongly conservative areas. Sure, you might even legitimately believe that masturbation and extra/pre-marital sex are sins, but the real pull factor in a lot of religions, and Christianity ESPECIALLY, is the concept of forgiveness. So the fact that you watched two (or possibly even more people) screwing like barn animals (hell maybe even has some barn animals thrown into the mix) through a media clip while pleasuring yourself is morally pardoned if you admit guilt and ask for God's repentance afterwards (Catholicism in particular is an egregious example of this system).

That's why I found the argument that the religious hold the "moral high-ground" absurd. Under such a system of forgiveness, an adherent actually has more leeway to commit immoral actions than somebody outside of the faith. Did you rape and molest dozens of kids and/or murder a few minorities down the street? Fear not, for as long as you accept the Lord as the divine ruler of all and embrace Jesus as your savior, you are saved. Meanwhile, that no good filthy non-believer down the street who has done nothing but enrich the lives of those around him/her will burn in hell for being a heathen. The relief of the burden of the responsibility of one's own actions is a huge appeal factor for such faiths.


One of just numerous historical perspectives to this would be how the early Puritan settlers of New England dealt with pre-marital sex, a huge no-no (although sex was mandatory and encouraged once married). Instead of facing the nature of their so called "sins," the solution was shotgun-weddings. What was originally an impudent act of sinful defiance was transformed into a holy union under God (with the wife usually already pregnant during the wedding under such circumstances).

The hypocrisy only gets worse when you examine the upper echelons of religious sects. Considering the fact that from a historical perspective, the upper class of ANY social system cut themselves more slack when it comes to following the rules they set in place, it's particularly conspicuous amongst the religious figureheads since that is compounded with the dangerous alleviation of personal responsibility from consequences to an action. That's why you find family values advocates caught hiring gay male prostitutes and soliciting men for sexual favors. That's why the priests are charged with molesting and raping little kids. That's why the heads of the Catholic Church then come in and bail those priests out of harm's way and continue allowing them to preach. They don't give a shit about the values espoused by their own religion or morality, they just want reliable demagogues subduing a population into docile compliance. Although spirituality and superstition were to be expected when humans were hunter-gathers and the repository of compiled knowledge was minute, once we began collectivizing into larger societies, the power based institution of religion was created to pit these beliefs AGAINST the general population in a manner that favored the ruling classes's control over the population.

All of that being said, that pretty well explains why I'm an atheist. Not only do I find the concept of God as extremely irrational and subject to logical and psychological pigeonholing and contradictions, but I find most religions to be morally apprehensible in the wrong hands and in the wrong minds.

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07-11-2012, 04:40 AM
RE: Are you an atheist for a reason?
I am an atheist since I was 9 years old, back then I talked to my dad, I asked him why he is not going to church on Sundays and he told me that he doesn't believe in God. I asked him why, and he said there is no proof for a God. That was the seed and I lost my faith in God. I was not anti religious back then (so the seed for that had been laid by my mother at the same time) but I was an atheist. Didn't know that word back then though.
Even through my whole witchy live (which has been since I was kid and ended about 3 years ago) I never believed in Gods as something omnipresent and omnipotent. I merely saw gods as a symbols and ideas.

Thinking logically made me an atheist.

Why do I call myself an atheist?
I want to provoke a little. I am not an activist but if someone would ask me about my faith, I would not say, "I don't believe" but "I am an atheist". Even here, in Romania, where atheist is a curseword, I would say it. Everyone around us knows we are good people, we help, we give, we talk nicely, etc. I would, in that case, set an example: "Look at me, I am a nice, good person, AND an atheist"
Second reason is, people think in boxes, and the box for someone without faith in a god, is "Atheist".

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07-11-2012, 05:09 AM (This post was last modified: 07-11-2012 05:17 AM by Diablo666.)
RE: Are you an atheist for a reason?
I was molested as a child by multiple preachers...catholics, christians, and even a jehovas witness.

They kept putting things inside me.

I told them to stop, but they wouldn't listen.

They just kept on and on, thrusting as hard as they could,.

But I refused to give in.

I told my assailants I could take it, and they could not break me.

I tried going to the authorities, but the police refused to press charges against my attackers.

Finally, after many many years of constant torture it stopped.

I guess I was no longer appealing to them anymore.



But every now and again I think back to those times and I cold chill goes up my spine.

Jesus this, and god that, blah blah blah... This indoctrination stuff is nothing short of child abuse!


Everyone is born an atheist. You have to be indoctrinated, aka lied to whilst in a vulnerable state, to believe any sort of religious hog wash.
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07-11-2012, 05:22 AM
RE: Are you an atheist for a reason?
Why am I an atheist?

That's tough... perhaps it is because I was raised to a large degree without religion, by a pretty anti-religious father and religiously apathetic mother and as such I was neglected the Truth of Jebus the Cosmic Zombie Jew.

Personally I like to believe (there's that silly word) that it was that ^, combined with my odd tendency toward making fun of everything, slanted my views on Religion just enough so that I could withstand the efforts of the few religious people in my life whom tried actively to turn lovable ol' me into a drone.

Or my quasi-satirist nature gave me an insight early on as to the bullshit, through my own "comedy".

Who knows, for myself it's just another mystery that I will likely never understand, like how people are so easily convinced of falsehoods, multiple personality disorders and maths to name a few things that escape me.

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07-11-2012, 12:44 PM
RE: Are you an atheist for a reason?
I could give a laundry list of reasons why I'm an atheist. The main one I think is just that after I got old enough to investigate religions on my own and compare what I'd been taught in church to what I'd been taught in my biology, and chemistry and astronmy classes. . . .I came to the conclusion that someone was "telling a bold-faced lie".
I was adding 2 plus 2 and kept getting 5 as the answer, you know? Something just wasn't adding up. And long story short, after actually READING the Bible and taking religion courses in school (like I'm doing now) I just realized that there's not enough scientific proof. . . REAL scientific proof. . .that proves that there's an invisble force floating around in outerspace, or beyond, who not only created us, but even gives a rats ass about how I dress, what I eat, when I have sex and who with, what "special days" I observe and all that noise.
Pastors and priest would keep telling me that God was great and could do this and that and was just almighty and so merciful. And simple common sense just led me to ask myself, "So if God is so powerful and so great, and so loving, etc, etc. . . .why is it that everytime I turn on the news, there's tragedy all around me? Why do bad things continue to happen to good people? If God is controlling all of us and knows everything before we do, why has he constantly been letting these things happen for thousands of years? Why should I worship someone like that?"

And I just recently came to this simple conclusion: I shouldn't worship someone like that.
Then I just decided to embrace the idea that God was most likely. . .just made up by humans to keep each other in check.
I don't like being told by strangers how to live my life, and that is why I'm the atheist you see before you Smile
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