Arguments agaisnt Materialism
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03-03-2017, 07:18 PM
RE: Arguments agaisnt Materialism
(03-03-2017 06:55 PM)Naielis Wrote:  But I know Harris knows quite a bit about it. Why does he reject materialism?

He doesn't.

(03-03-2017 06:55 PM)Naielis Wrote:  And I have presented it. I can present more arguments if you want. How about Leibniz Mill?

Argument from incredulity.

(03-03-2017 06:55 PM)Naielis Wrote:  Or the knowledge argument?

Previously addressed.

(03-03-2017 06:55 PM)Naielis Wrote:  How does the materialist address these?

Very simply.

Pay attention.

(03-03-2017 06:55 PM)Naielis Wrote:  Also, no one here is contesting that the brain creates consciousness. The question is can we explain the phenomena (or perhaps epiphenomena) of consciousness with only material things?

Yes.

(03-03-2017 06:55 PM)Naielis Wrote:  Leibniz's Mill and the knowledge argument show that we can't.

No. They assert that we can't. They utterly fail to establish that this is actually so.

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03-03-2017, 07:19 PM
RE: Arguments agaisnt Materialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_memory
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1637250/
http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007...-6778-7_24
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK27971/

Everything going on in brains is explained by neuro-chemistry.
No woo is needed.

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1408/1408.7073.pdf

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03-03-2017, 07:23 PM (This post was last modified: 03-03-2017 08:59 PM by Thoreauvian.)
RE: Arguments agaisnt Materialism
(03-03-2017 07:19 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Everything going on in brains is explained by neuro-chemistry.

We have never known more about the brain/mind than we do now, thanks to the methodological naturalistic approach of science. One might therefore ask, where are all the breakthroughs of the dualists? Why hasn't their approach yielded similar progress?
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03-03-2017, 07:23 PM
RE: Arguments agaisnt Materialism
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scienc...05936.html

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03-03-2017, 07:24 PM
RE: Arguments agaisnt Materialism
(03-03-2017 07:23 PM)Jay Vogelsong Wrote:  
(03-03-2017 07:19 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Everything going on in brains is explained by neuro-chemistry.

We have never known more about the brain/mind than we do now, thanks to the methodological materialistic approach of science. One might therefore ask, where are all the breakthroughs of the dualists? Why hasn't their approach yielded similar progress?

Get out. We've already determined it's Septupleism.

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03-03-2017, 07:45 PM
RE: Arguments agaisnt Materialism
(03-03-2017 07:13 PM)Unbeliever Wrote:  
(03-03-2017 06:23 PM)Naielis Wrote:  Did you watch the video?

A better question. What part of the video do you think proves anything that I said wrong, and why?

No watch the whole video.

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03-03-2017, 08:28 PM
RE: Arguments agaisnt Materialism
(03-03-2017 07:45 PM)Naielis Wrote:  
(03-03-2017 07:13 PM)Unbeliever Wrote:  A better question. What part of the video do you think proves anything that I said wrong, and why?

No watch the whole video.

You didn't answer the question.
The "whole video" is evidence of nothing.
Saying "consciousness is a mystery" is not an argument.
YOU have no "argument".
Saying "Well, well, Harris says so, and he is smart" is no argument.

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03-03-2017, 08:47 PM
RE: Arguments agaisnt Materialism
(03-03-2017 07:45 PM)Naielis Wrote:  
(03-03-2017 07:13 PM)Unbeliever Wrote:  A better question. What part of the video do you think proves anything that I said wrong, and why?

No watch the whole video.

(22-02-2017 05:43 PM)Unbeliever Wrote:  You severely overestimate the amount of patience that anyone here has left for indulging your ego. I do have to thank you for demonstrating that my assessment of you was so entirely correct, though.

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03-03-2017, 09:09 PM
RE: Arguments agaisnt Materialism
(03-03-2017 08:47 PM)Unbeliever Wrote:  
(03-03-2017 07:45 PM)Naielis Wrote:  No watch the whole video.

(22-02-2017 05:43 PM)Unbeliever Wrote:  You severely overestimate the amount of patience that anyone here has left for indulging your ego. I do have to thank you for demonstrating that my assessment of you was so entirely correct, though.

On the contrary. You overestimate my patience with your dismissals and laziness. Watch the discussion. Watch a full lecture for once and give it your full attention. Maybe one day you can build up to reading a book. Baby steps.

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03-03-2017, 09:18 PM
RE: Arguments agaisnt Materialism
(03-03-2017 09:09 PM)Naielis Wrote:  
(03-03-2017 08:47 PM)Unbeliever Wrote:  

On the contrary. You overestimate my patience with your dismissals and laziness. Watch the discussion. Watch a full lecture for once and give it your full attention. Maybe one day you can build up to reading a book. Baby steps.

You, who did NOTHING except say "watch this video" have the balls to say anything about laziness ? LMAO.

You don't even know what they are talking about. You can't give any reason to re-state in your own words what they are saying, and why YOU support it.

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