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30-05-2017, 05:41 PM
As soon as I mention the Archaeological findings, it goes off the rails
(30-05-2017 02:39 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  Ask him is his tin foil hat is on too tight. Rolleyes

I'll take a guess that his belt is cutting off the circulation to his brain.
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30-05-2017, 06:13 PM
RE: As soon as I mention the Archaeological findings, it goes off the rails
(30-05-2017 02:49 PM)OmniConsUme Wrote:  So guys, actual question, if what this guy says is true wouldn't there be evidence for this or is this unfalsifiable? And why hasn't his god done something about this if it is true?

Yes, as RocketSurgeon has already mentioned, the language and imagery should be modern American English not Roman era Jewish.

Also you don't have to falsify anything. He who makes the insane claims gets to back up the insane claims.

Lastly, there clearly no point in arguing with somebody who has this fragile a grip on reality. Just go back in time and kill his grandparents already.

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30-05-2017, 06:40 PM
RE: As soon as I mention the Archaeological findings, it goes off the rails
Update: on the "Scientist" Marshall Barnes, he hasn't had a single Peer-reviewed paper, but somehow he has made a "Warp Drive" That "works" by using "Warp Bubbles", Has written a book about Time Travel Paradoxes and how Parallel Universes Prevent them, but want's people to buy his book to "Fund" his "Time Machine".

Yeah this doesn't sound sketchy at all.
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30-05-2017, 08:20 PM
RE: As soon as I mention the Archaeological findings, it goes off the rails
You mean this Marshall Barnes?

Warning: Drain Bamage Zone - Tinfoil Hats Must Be Worn At All Times

Yeah, he looks legit. Facepalm

Actually it's fairly simple to make a time machine. In theory. You will need:

- A bloody huge vacuum chamber.
- A bloody huge motor. Really good bearings will be handy.
- A reasonably large cylinder, hollow with one end removed.
- About a dozen mirrors. 6' by 4' A polished metal surface is recommended because glass won't survive the stresses.
- One human test subject. Pressure suit optional.

OK. Mount the mirrors on the inside of the cylinder. It's really just scaffolding. Attach the motor along the axis. Place your test subject in the center of the mirror-go-round and remove all the air from the chamber. You did remember your pressure suit, right?

You can use more mirrors to get the desired effect at lower RPMs but you have to increase the size of the cylinder to get a usable aperture so it's a zero sum game. Or you can use fewer mirrors at higher RPMs but the cylinder has to be large enough to contain your test subject. A dozen is about the optimum number.

At rest, mirror #1 reflects mirror #7 perfectly and vice versa. You get that cool illusion of an infinite tunnel of mirrors reflected into infinity. Now start the whole mess spinning. Mirror #1 still reflects mirror #7...

...except it doesn't. Light takes time to cross the diameter of the cylinder from mirror #1 to mirror #7 and in that time mirror #7 has moved slightly to one side. At low speeds the effect is imperceptible but as you increase the RPMs that infinitely receding tunnel of mirror will appear to bend. Gradually at first but then sharper and sharper until eventually dissolving into a flickering mess as the mirrors fail to align at all. Don't stop now! Faster yet and the bent tunnel reappears! Sharply curved at first but straighter and straighter as the cylinder spins faster.

Eventually it becomes perfectly straight and this is the resonance speed that you want. It's also why we got rid of the air. You'd be standing inside a column of plasma right now if we hadn't given the speed this thing's rotating at.

OK, here's what's happening. Light leaves mirror #1 headed for mirror #7. Mirror #7 sidesteps and, at the resonance velocity, mirror #6 steps perfectly into place to reflect the light. Mirror #6 would normally reflect to mirror #12, but it dodges and you get the reflection off of mirror #11 instead, etc... The test subject is now at the center of a twelve-sided stars with a mirror at each point.

At rest, mirror #1 reflects straight into mirror #7 and back again, traveling two diameters of the cylinder. At resonance, mirror #1 ---> #6 ---> #11 ---> #4 ---> #9 ---> #2 ---> #7 ---> #12 ---> #5 ---> #10 ---> #3 ---> #8 ---> #1 again! From mirror #1 back to mirror #1 the light traverses 12 diameters rather than the normal 2!

Since the speed of light is invariant, time has to slow to accommodate the extra distance traveled. Not by a factor of 12, because space will also have contracted so the light isn't actually traveling the full 12 diameters it seems to be. That won't be observable to our test subject but will look pretty cool from the outside. Also, if the test subject looks into one of the mirrors he won't simply see his reflection front and back he'll see 12 different reflections, each one rotated by 30 degrees.

Now for the tricky part:
Turn out the lights and say "Bloody Mary!" three times.

[Image: two_mirrors.png]

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30-05-2017, 08:24 PM
RE: As soon as I mention the Archaeological findings, it goes off the rails
(30-05-2017 08:20 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  You mean this Marshall Barnes?

Warning: Drain Bamage Zone - Tinfoil Hats Must Be Worn At All Times

Yeah, he looks legit. Facepalm

Actually it's fairly simple to make a time machine. In theory. You will need:

- A bloody huge vacuum chamber.
- A bloody huge motor. Really good bearings will be handy.
- A reasonably large cylinder, hollow with one end removed.
- About a dozen mirrors. 6' by 4' A polished metal surface is recommended because glass won't survive the stresses.
- One human test subject. Pressure suit optional.

OK. Mount the mirrors on the inside of the cylinder. It's really just scaffolding. Attach the motor along the axis. Place your test subject in the center of the mirror-go-round and remove all the air from the chamber. You did remember your pressure suit, right?

You can use more mirrors to get the desired effect at lower RPMs but you have to increase the size of the cylinder to get a usable aperture so it's a zero sum game. Or you can use fewer mirrors at higher RPMs but the cylinder has to be large enough to contain your test subject. A dozen is about the optimum number.

At rest, mirror #1 reflects mirror #7 perfectly and vice versa. You get that cool illusion of an infinite tunnel of mirrors reflected into infinity. Now start the whole mess spinning. Mirror #1 still reflects mirror #7...

...except it doesn't. Light takes time to cross the diameter of the cylinder from mirror #1 to mirror #7 and in that time mirror #7 has moved slightly to one side. At low speeds the effect is imperceptible but as you increase the RPMs that infinitely receding tunnel of mirror will appear to bend. Gradually at first but then sharper and sharper until eventually dissolving into a flickering mess as the mirrors fail to align at all. Don't stop now! Faster yet and the bent tunnel reappears! Sharply curved at first but straighter and straighter as the cylinder spins faster.

Eventually it becomes perfectly straight and this is the resonance speed that you want. It's also why we got rid of the air. You'd be standing inside a column of plasma right now if we hadn't given the speed this thing's rotating at.

OK, here's what's happening. Light leaves mirror #1 headed for mirror #7. Mirror #7 sidesteps and, at the resonance velocity, mirror #6 steps perfectly into place to reflect the light. Mirror #6 would normally reflect to mirror #12, but it dodges and you get the reflection off of mirror #11 instead, etc... The test subject is now at the center of a twelve-sided stars with a mirror at each point.

At rest, mirror #1 reflects straight into mirror #7 and back again, traveling two diameters of the cylinder. At resonance, mirror #1 ---> #6 ---> #11 ---> #4 ---> #9 ---> #2 ---> #7 ---> #12 ---> #5 ---> #10 ---> #3 ---> #8 ---> #1 again! From mirror #1 back to mirror #1 the light traverses 12 diameters rather than the normal 2!

Since the speed of light is invariant, time has to slow to accommodate the extra distance traveled. Not by a factor of 12, because space will also have contracted so the light isn't actually traveling the full 12 diameters it seems to be. That won't be observable to our test subject but will look pretty cool from the outside. Also, if the test subject looks into one of the mirrors he won't simply see his reflection front and back he'll see 12 different reflections, each one rotated by 30 degrees.

Now for the tricky part:
Turn out the lights and say "Bloody Mary!" three times.

[Image: two_mirrors.png]
Laugh out load
THAT is what he claims his Verndiberg fan is?
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30-05-2017, 08:28 PM
RE: As soon as I mention the Archaeological findings, it goes off the rails
(30-05-2017 08:24 PM)OmniConsUme Wrote:  
(30-05-2017 08:20 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  You mean this Marshall Barnes?

Warning: Drain Bamage Zone - Tinfoil Hats Must Be Worn At All Times

Yeah, he looks legit. Facepalm

Actually it's fairly simple to make a time machine. In theory. You will need:

- A bloody huge vacuum chamber.
- A bloody huge motor. Really good bearings will be handy.
- A reasonably large cylinder, hollow with one end removed.
- About a dozen mirrors. 6' by 4' A polished metal surface is recommended because glass won't survive the stresses.
- One human test subject. Pressure suit optional.

OK. Mount the mirrors on the inside of the cylinder. It's really just scaffolding. Attach the motor along the axis. Place your test subject in the center of the mirror-go-round and remove all the air from the chamber. You did remember your pressure suit, right?

You can use more mirrors to get the desired effect at lower RPMs but you have to increase the size of the cylinder to get a usable aperture so it's a zero sum game. Or you can use fewer mirrors at higher RPMs but the cylinder has to be large enough to contain your test subject. A dozen is about the optimum number.

At rest, mirror #1 reflects mirror #7 perfectly and vice versa. You get that cool illusion of an infinite tunnel of mirrors reflected into infinity. Now start the whole mess spinning. Mirror #1 still reflects mirror #7...

...except it doesn't. Light takes time to cross the diameter of the cylinder from mirror #1 to mirror #7 and in that time mirror #7 has moved slightly to one side. At low speeds the effect is imperceptible but as you increase the RPMs that infinitely receding tunnel of mirror will appear to bend. Gradually at first but then sharper and sharper until eventually dissolving into a flickering mess as the mirrors fail to align at all. Don't stop now! Faster yet and the bent tunnel reappears! Sharply curved at first but straighter and straighter as the cylinder spins faster.

Eventually it becomes perfectly straight and this is the resonance speed that you want. It's also why we got rid of the air. You'd be standing inside a column of plasma right now if we hadn't given the speed this thing's rotating at.

OK, here's what's happening. Light leaves mirror #1 headed for mirror #7. Mirror #7 sidesteps and, at the resonance velocity, mirror #6 steps perfectly into place to reflect the light. Mirror #6 would normally reflect to mirror #12, but it dodges and you get the reflection off of mirror #11 instead, etc... The test subject is now at the center of a twelve-sided stars with a mirror at each point.

At rest, mirror #1 reflects straight into mirror #7 and back again, traveling two diameters of the cylinder. At resonance, mirror #1 ---> #6 ---> #11 ---> #4 ---> #9 ---> #2 ---> #7 ---> #12 ---> #5 ---> #10 ---> #3 ---> #8 ---> #1 again! From mirror #1 back to mirror #1 the light traverses 12 diameters rather than the normal 2!

Since the speed of light is invariant, time has to slow to accommodate the extra distance traveled. Not by a factor of 12, because space will also have contracted so the light isn't actually traveling the full 12 diameters it seems to be. That won't be observable to our test subject but will look pretty cool from the outside. Also, if the test subject looks into one of the mirrors he won't simply see his reflection front and back he'll see 12 different reflections, each one rotated by 30 degrees.

Now for the tricky part:
Turn out the lights and say "Bloody Mary!" three times.

[Image: two_mirrors.png]
Laugh out load
THAT is what he claims his Verndiberg fan is?

Damned if I know. I just pulled that out of my ass.

How much do you want to bet we could get the fundies to try and build one?

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30-05-2017, 09:07 PM
RE: As soon as I mention the Archaeological findings, it goes off the rails
I think someone has mentioned this earlier in the thread, if this is true; why did God even allow this, Imagine you are getting close to everyone believing you, and whoops some Devil Worshiping Atheist (Not my words) Traveled through time to destroy evidence of your own fucking existence, and your son, Would you be quiet? NO, I would do everything I can to get people evidence back.
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30-05-2017, 09:22 PM
RE: As soon as I mention the Archaeological findings, it goes off the rails
There is no provision in the *many worlds* hypothesis for "going backwards". Universes in that hypothesis may diverge, but they ONLY go forward. They're making up shit, hoping no one notices.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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30-05-2017, 09:27 PM
RE: As soon as I mention the Archaeological findings, it goes off the rails
(30-05-2017 09:22 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  There is no provision in the *many worlds* hypothesis for "going backwards". Universes in that hypothesis may diverge, but they ONLY go forward. They're making up shit, hoping no one notices.

So you actually read Marshall Barnes Quora Account.

How much does he get wrong...
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31-05-2017, 02:12 AM
RE: As soon as I mention the Archaeological findings, it goes off the rails
Technically, time travel is possible....but only by going forward in time, and it's not as easy as just hoping into the phone booth or something like that.

The current theory states the gravity warps time, so travelling around a super-massive black hole in a space craft for X amount of time, would result in all other time moving forward, except for those on board the ship around the black hole. Kind of like how Charlton Heston in planet of the apes, arrives on earth much later although he is the same age.

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