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23-08-2012, 10:08 AM (This post was last modified: 23-08-2012 10:12 AM by Logica Humano.)
RE: Ask TrueReason...Religious questions
(23-08-2012 09:55 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(23-08-2012 09:53 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  The idea that God planned everything in the world is sickening, disgusting, and borderline sadistic.

Borderline?Consider

Does he enjoy the fact that others are predestined to suffer? If yes, then it is past "borderline."

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23-08-2012, 10:09 AM
RE: Ask TrueReason...Religious questions
Who specifically do you believe wrote the various books of the Bible, and when? Especially, who wrote genesis and the first few books of the old testament? Who wrote the gospels and when? Who wrote Paul's letters, and who wrote Revelations and when?

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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23-08-2012, 10:15 AM
RE: Ask TrueReason...Religious questions
(23-08-2012 09:53 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(23-08-2012 09:51 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  That's a really fair and logical assessment, but my belief is that God planned it. He set it up like that.

As far as humanity, it wasn't until these myths came into existence that God was able to explain His plan to His chosen. This is when people had God's image imprinted on them and God chosen these myths as a way of explanation.

As far as the Zeus thing... yeah, you're right. But, this is where my faith comes into play. I have faith in the Christian God that He is the correct God.

The idea that God planned everything in the world is sickening, disgusting, and borderline sadistic.

It depends on morality.

We as humans (including me) find some of the things YHWH did to be abhorrent, but this is based on our morality. God's morality is a morality all His own; something we don't understand.

Yes, I know all the arguments against this line of thinking... I've heard them all and responded to them all... so yeah, not really looking to start this up again. It just boils down to me trusting that God is perfect as is His plan. Things happen for a reason that I don't yet understand nor will I ever probably understand as my understanding isn't infinite.

Yes, this is a faith based belief. I know.

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23-08-2012, 10:20 AM
RE: Ask TrueReason...Religious questions
(23-08-2012 05:25 AM)ideasonscribe Wrote:  ... it's looked mainly like a group that gathers to whine ...

Sour grapes?

Oh... oops.... that's "wine".

Sorry, I'll shut up now.

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23-08-2012, 10:22 AM
RE: Ask TrueReason...Religious questions
(23-08-2012 06:15 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  The point is, you have not even begun to answer almost EVERY question raised in your original thread. You ignored almost every single one, and then started two new ones, (just as ideasonscribe ducked out on the questions raised to him, without answering any of the questions presented to him, on the resurrection. He said he had "heavy lifting" to do, but never came back to even try to do any of it, just as YOU have ignored the questions raised for you in your original thread. At least he didn't just start new threads.) The point with KC's questions, is you dismissed legimate THEOLOGICAL questions as unimportant. The point is NOT that science courses would have helped with them. The point is, you just start new threads, with the SAME questions, without answering any of them, at all. You stated that the main reason you accept Christianity, in your original thread, is that you cannot see, right now, another explanation for the origins of the universe. In Logic, that is called an Argument from Ignorance. It's a well known fallacy. Have you ever taken a Logic corse ? The point is, THAT is a scientific question. The point is, that is NOT a theological question. The point is, you do not have the background to address that question, intelligently, apparently, and obviously lack ANY scientific background. The point is, that while pretending to have a theological background, YOU dismissed the theological questions as unimportant. The point is, you have answered none of the scientific questions, or the theological questions. The POINT is, what are you doing here, if you are unwilling, or unable to do either ?

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23-08-2012, 10:22 AM
RE: Ask TrueReason...Religious questions
(23-08-2012 09:51 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(23-08-2012 09:33 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  Said God didn't use a very realistic way of communicating if it expected modern day folks to hear, understand, believe, and live it's message.

It's more logical to see that the Ancients created myths to understand why the sun comes up everyday and why bad things happen to good people and to codify rules to consolidate kingdoms. Those myths existed with little reality behind them, and it's quite a stretch to say that something like 200,000-300,000 years of existence went by without humans believing in YWHW as a monotheistic god until 2500 years ago some captives decided to put their brand on all the myths they could put their hands on. It confounds me how an intelligent person could look at the physical evidence and still come up with the fantastical belief that suddenly these ancient myths have a meaning that points to an otherwise unheard of god, and even though all the other gods these myths used to refer to are fake, suddenly now this god is real because we say so and for no other reason. I get how the masses believe because most don't know the truth. You have a great grasp of the reality of ancient myths, yet you won't let go of the thought that a Sumerian myth can inform you about a warrior god named YWHW, yet a Greek myth about Zeus doesn't teach you about god because it came from a different region, even though those myths have just as much physical validity as yours.

That's a really fair and logical assessment, but my belief is that God planned it. He set it up like that.

As far as humanity, it wasn't until these myths came into existence that God was able to explain His plan to His chosen. This is when people had God's image imprinted on them and God chosen these myths as a way of explanation.

As far as the Zeus thing... yeah, you're right. But, this is where my faith comes into play. I have faith in the Christian God that He is the correct God.

What do you think about the idea that with a strict Calvinist view, any kind of Bible is unnecessary? If there is no free will, no choice whether to believe or not believe, then why bother with communicating anything at all? Election really has no bearing on anything but your afterlife, so why create an ambiguous and confusing grouping of texts that really have nothing to do with the majority of people who will ever live? When you die you'll go to heaven. When I die I'll be tortured in hell for eternity. Neither one of us can do anything about it anyway, so why bother with mythology?

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23-08-2012, 10:26 AM
RE: Ask TrueReason...Religious questions
(23-08-2012 10:22 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  What do you think about the idea that with a strict Calvinist view, any kind of Bible is unnecessary? If there is no free will, no choice whether to believe or not believe, then why bother with communicating anything at all? Election really has no bearing on anything but your afterlife, so why create an ambiguous and confusing grouping of texts that really have nothing to do with the majority of people who will ever live? When you die you'll go to heaven. When I die I'll be tortured in hell for eternity. Neither one of us can do anything about it anyway, so why bother with mythology?

I am the instrument of God's answer Big Grin Because I said so. That's why. Stoopid human. I like torturing my creations. It makes me feel like I've got a big penis. Oddly enough, that's the only thing that I can't get right. I've tried everything. Even those stupid ads from the back of porn mags.
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23-08-2012, 10:28 AM
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(23-08-2012 10:26 AM)morondog Wrote:  It makes me feel like I've got a big penis. Oddly enough, that's the only thing that I can't get right. I've tried everything. Even those stupid ads from the back of porn mags.

Try the on-line ones. Yes

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23-08-2012, 10:36 AM
RE: Ask TrueReason...Religious questions
(23-08-2012 10:22 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  
(23-08-2012 09:51 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  That's a really fair and logical assessment, but my belief is that God planned it. He set it up like that.

As far as humanity, it wasn't until these myths came into existence that God was able to explain His plan to His chosen. This is when people had God's image imprinted on them and God chosen these myths as a way of explanation.

As far as the Zeus thing... yeah, you're right. But, this is where my faith comes into play. I have faith in the Christian God that He is the correct God.

What do you think about the idea that with a strict Calvinist view, any kind of Bible is unnecessary? If there is no free will, no choice whether to believe or not believe, then why bother with communicating anything at all? Election really has no bearing on anything but your afterlife, so why create an ambiguous and confusing grouping of texts that really have nothing to do with the majority of people who will ever live? When you die you'll go to heaven. When I die I'll be tortured in hell for eternity. Neither one of us can do anything about it anyway, so why bother with mythology?

I've actually asked myself this question before.

Why do we need the Bible?

Why did God choose this ambiguous, difficult to read, ancient book with multiple authors as His way to communicate with His elect? It surely doesn't seem like a "perfect" way... but again... I'm not infinite, so I don't know.

God chose the Bible as a way to reveal Himself to us so that we can learn, understand, and try to grasp the wholeness of His plan (which we never will).

And, you're right. Damnation and salvation can't be controlled, but I think the Bible is important to help the elect understand and accept this decision that God made.

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23-08-2012, 10:40 AM
RE: Ask TrueReason...Religious questions
(23-08-2012 10:15 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Yes, this is a faith based belief. I know.
At least you're one of the few who are able to admit this. Drinking Beverage

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