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28-03-2013, 07:45 AM
RE: Ask a (GASP) COMMUNIST ! ! !
(28-03-2013 01:49 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(28-03-2013 12:27 AM)DLJ Wrote:  But "enlighten and educate" has a sinister undertone.

Change it to whatever you see fit.

But these two word used to be so positively meaningful. Nowadays the word "public intellectual" also bears sinister undertone in China.

What a tragic comedy.

Agreed. And I learn from the American's on this site that, particularly in christian societies, ignorance is worn as a badge of honour.


(28-03-2013 01:49 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(28-03-2013 12:27 AM)DLJ Wrote:  I asked her about the purges that had enlightened and re-educated people until they complied or died and she had no knowledge of this period of history.

Intriguing, huh?
Maybe it is too painful to share if she is not willing to.

No, seriously, she was unaware of it. I wondered if it was a case of 'denial' but I'm sure it was not.
She came from a wealthy family (she had a brother) so maybe it was not something that had touched her life.

Talking of which, the One-Child Policy is a fascinating example of / approach to Capacity Management.


(28-03-2013 01:49 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  Due to natural disaster, unwanted man-made calamity, and food scarcity in the metropolis, my mother had to go to the countryside, lived and worked as peasants did. She said she was indeed re-educated. She said she became strong and optimistic.

Thanks to such natural and man-made disaster accompanying the Chinese people for more than 5000 years, we are now proud to announce that we have survive all these calamities and are now rising again.

Human resilience is a remarkable thing.

(28-03-2013 01:49 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(28-03-2013 12:27 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Why don't Chinese people queue?

Yes, We DO queue.

I know, I have seen the queues in Beijing to get into the MRT and the extra guards that need to be employed to make sure no one gets crushed in the push to get on the trains and the queues for the lifts in the taller buildings.

Another example of Capacity Management where temporary solutions are deployed due to insufficient planning for Demand.

But I have also been shoved out of the way by little old ladies in a taxi queue and had Chinese guys expect to be served before me while I am already in the process of paying for something I am buying.
And the inability to filter in heavy traffic... don't get me started on that one.

A strong case of 'kiasu', I suspect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiasu

(28-03-2013 01:49 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(28-03-2013 12:27 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Also, spitting in public. To a westerner, this is one of the most disgusting things imaginable but quite normal for easterners.

I heard it had something to do with a spit-god i.e. the need to cough out evil spirits. Can you confirm?

Never heard of any spit-god. Don't know anything about coughing out evil spirits. But we do have a tradition by saying 呸 (PEI, sounds like "pooh") when we object strongly.

As modern civilians, Chinese people certainly treat spitting in public as very bad person habits and a cause of many diseases. Spitting in private is also not civilized unless done appropriately.

Yes, I think the attitude towards spitting is changing. I just wondered about the origin of its acceptability.
Thanks for the feedback.


(28-03-2013 01:49 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  Personal hygiene is really personal. It's nothing cultural.

Ha! Tell that to the French!

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28-03-2013, 07:49 AM
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Do you think the people of Taiwan are better or worse off than the people of mainland China?


Just for so you know where I'm coming from, I spent two months living in Taipei last year, primarily in the lower income Zhonghe district. I've seen all of Taipei from the urban poor to the downtown promenades, and from the engineering offices and factory area of my company's vendor, to local vacation places and night spots.

I've also been to Hong Kong. I intended to take a trip out to see Guangzhou or Shenzhen that weekend, but couldn't manage it. So I have not seen a "real" mainland Chinese city. I want to know what *you* think about Taiwan, based on what you know of it.

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28-03-2013, 07:53 AM
RE: Ask a (GASP) COMMUNIST ! ! !
(28-03-2013 07:40 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(28-03-2013 04:01 AM)Chas Wrote:  The "primary stage of socialism" is hardly distinguishable from capitalism.
And it's a very uncontrolled, dangerous form of capitalism that poisons people and despoils the environment.

Thanks for the warning.

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I have no idea what your response means.

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28-03-2013, 08:11 AM
RE: Ask a (GASP) COMMUNIST ! ! !
(28-03-2013 07:45 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Human resilience is a remarkable thing.

But I have also been shoved out of the way by little old ladies in a taxi queue and had Chinese guys expect to be served before me while I am already in the process of paying for something I am buying.

And the inability to filter in heavy traffic... don't get me started on that one.

A strong case of 'kiasu', I suspect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiasu

It's not kiasu. It's human instinct, particularly for my people who have come through so many sufferings.

If we are affluent, we take things easy. But when things get tough, the memories of past sufferings come to live vividly and drive people crazy snapping up anything they can get. Elders have profound memories of hardships, therefore are more deeply influenced by such instinct.

It's also part of the resilience you've mentioned. So it's really hard to say.

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28-03-2013, 08:27 AM
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I suppose, Junyuan, given the nature of this site, there should be a question about the current climate of religious belief and tolerance / intolerance towards religious beliefs in China.

The majority of Chinese that I know would call themselves Buddhist with roughly a 50/50 split between atheist and theist Buddhism.
It struck me that the more highly educated individuals are in the atheist-Buddhist category.

Any thoughts?

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28-03-2013, 08:28 AM
RE: Ask a (GASP) CHINESE COMMUNIST ! ! !
(28-03-2013 07:49 AM)Phaedrus Wrote:  Do you think the people of Taiwan are better or worse off than the people of mainland China?


Just for so you know where I'm coming from, I spent two months living in Taipei last year, primarily in the lower income Zhonghe district. I've seen all of Taipei from the urban poor to the downtown promenades, and from the engineering offices and factory area of my company's vendor, to local vacation places and night spots.

I've also been to Hong Kong. I intended to take a trip out to see Guangzhou or Shenzhen that weekend, but couldn't manage it. So I have not seen a "real" mainland Chinese city. I want to know what *you* think about Taiwan, based on what you know of it.

I've never been to Taiwan. It is really far from my home. And the question of "who is better off" is quite complex and can be explained in different ways.

So, frankly I really don't know now. But in the 1980's and early 1990's, people in Taiwan region and Hong Kong was better off that in mainland China.

And Taiwan is a vivid example of what will happen if Chinese people adopt Western style democracy (WSD) system. Although messy, in small scales like Hong Kong and Taiwan, WSD is able to carry on. But that's 2.3% of the Chinese population. China will definitely fall apart if we convert to WSD.

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28-03-2013, 08:32 AM
RE: Ask a (GASP) COMMUNIST ! ! !
(28-03-2013 07:53 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(28-03-2013 07:40 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  Thanks for the warning.

When ideal is too far from reality, there's something people have to stand.


I have no idea what your response means.

In case that's a warning against the Chinese communists being drifting away from their original communism pursuits.

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28-03-2013, 08:36 AM
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(28-03-2013 08:32 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(28-03-2013 07:53 AM)Chas Wrote:  I have no idea what your response means.

In case that's a warning against the Chinese communists being drifting away from their original communism pursuits.


You must not have understood my other comment.

CHINA IS NOT COMMUNIST. It has a capitalist economy.

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28-03-2013, 08:39 AM
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(28-03-2013 08:36 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(28-03-2013 08:32 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  In case that's a warning against the Chinese communists being drifting away from their original communism pursuits.


You must not have understood my other comment.

CHINA IS NOT COMMUNIST. It has a capitalist economy.

Though capitalist, but with communist dreams.

And by the way, a capitalism China is good, is it?

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28-03-2013, 08:42 AM
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(28-03-2013 08:39 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(28-03-2013 08:36 AM)Chas Wrote:  You must not have understood my other comment.

CHINA IS NOT COMMUNIST. It has a capitalist economy.

Though capitalist, but with communist dreams.

And by the way, a capitalism China is good, is it?


Not the way you're doing it. Poisonous, dangerous products and environmental damage.

Not to mention ignoring international copyright laws and aggressive theft of intellectual property.

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