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01-04-2013, 07:09 PM
RE: Ask a (GASP) CHINESE COMMUNIST ! ! !
In a pure communism nobody owns anything. You live in a house that you don't own but on the contrary you can go to the store and get whatever you want for free.
The idea is that everyone contributes equally to society and so everyone should be entitled to the same things as everyone else.

ie: The garbage collect contributes the same to society as the doctor because without the garbage collector rubbish would build up and without the doctor.. well..

Also, nobody has more power then anyone else as this is seen as anti-communism.
As for property rights, there is no such thing as owning something and no such thing as a deed to a property so property rights simply cannot exist in a pure communism, nor is there any need for them.

No country in world history has ever been a true pure communist country. Pure communism is simply not workable.

Those that support communism are almost always poor/lower economic class because they are the ones that stand to profit from communism. Ironic really that poor people demand communism because "of the greed of the rich", yet they want communism because it means they gain... The middle income/class and rich income/class are subject to lose greatly.
This is why America was EXTREMELY anti-communism during the last century (and sill is), because the majority of Americans are middle class citizens and stand to lose from communism.

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01-04-2013, 07:41 PM
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Agreed (some of my questions were *somewhat* rhetorical in that I was kind of poking the bear). IMO it's a pretty naive system, in that it would only work if there was no greed - it is an attempt to work against human nature. Capitalism does a better job at harnessing human nature in reality, but it too has problems and needs to be limited somewhat (nowhere near as dysfunctional as pure Communism though).

Purely Communist societies would never have gotten as far as we have through large advancements such as the industrial revolution. Communism gives very little incentive to take risks and create something novel, since the reward for that will very likely be taken by the state (or definitely will, under pure communism).
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(01-04-2013 05:09 PM)Azaraith Wrote:  How does Communism allow for freedom of the individual, including property rights? ...

Thumbsup Good questions!

And I am afraid that I am not able to make my points simple and clear as one, two, three ... But I do have things to say.

Before we start, let us keep in mind that communism was a theory first published nearly 200 hundred years ago by smart but still human beings. Marx himself said that matter is constant in motion and changes. The communism theory should therefore also also comply. Being flawed or even quite wrong in some aspects at the beginning (usually tens of years, even hundreds, think about the history of capitalism) was not always unforgivable.

So let's have a sense of balance.

By the way, I am just a human being like you, an ordinary Chinese citizen and a junior communist member, not the Chinese ambassador or a Communism Grand Theorist and Practitioner. I have to look up some stuff and answer you with my own understanding. It might be quite slow for me to answer. My apologies.

If you agree, let's proceed.

Firstly, the reality part.

People made their own interpretations of the predictions made by Marx according to his theory and built nations in their interpretation's image and in the name of communism. They encountered great difficulty. They made catastrophic mistakes.

And people from the West who supposed have enjoyed their democracy and freedom for many years, or even hundreds of years, say the following regarding the communism countries:

There were purges.
There were death sentences with no court or a puppet court or a very biased court involvement at least.
There was force labor.
There were labor or concentration camps.
There was no democracy at all.
There were no elections at all.
There was no freedom at all.
There were people judged guilty for thinking not in the appointed way.
There was no freedom for people to move abroad.
There was this ever-lasting brainwashing.
There were lots of dictators.
There was not a single thing that was not owned by the government (or nation).
There were lots of robbing people of their properties.
There was no free speech at all.
There was the CENSORSHIP.
There was no or little possibility that radical thinkers could make their voices heard without being arrested and put into prison or labor camps.
There was no or little possibility that dissidents could make their voices heard without being arrested and put into prison or labor camps.
There was no or little possibility that civil rights leaders could make their voices heard without being arrested prison or and put into labor camps.
There was such rapidness in which all these above happened on they were contacted by the free Western media.
There were horrible criminal activities, atrocities, committed by the governments towards their own people.
There were horrible criminal activities, atrocities, committed by the governments towards the free Western people.
There were many kinds of poisonous stuff distributed the governments towards their own people.
There were many kinds of poisonous stuff distributed the governments towards their own people.
There were people oppressed by the governments.
There were religious people oppressed by the governments.
There were religious people oppressed by the governments who no longer wanted to stand it any more and craved to throw up the nations ASAP.
There were minority peoples oppressed by the governments.
There were minority peoples oppressed by the governments who no longer wanted to stand it any more and craved to split with the nations ASAP.

(Basically what I've heard and could think of. If anything important is missing, you guys can tell me to add it.)

The reality is that many or most of these things mentioned above happened in history, and varied in different degrees. Be it exactly the same, slightly different or quite different, all these things mentioned above happened.

Many 'communist' countries failed. Actually they didn't dare to call their countries 'communist'. Instead they all called their motherlands 'socialist' or 'people's' countries.

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (Soviet Union)_______ (1922 to 1991)
Czechoslovak Socialist Republic______________________(1948 to 1990) (People's Republic 1948-1960; Socialist Republic 1960-1990)
Hungarian People's Republic________________________(1949 to 1989)
Socialist Republic of Romania_______________________(1947 to 1989) (People's Republic 1947-1965; Socialist Republic 1965-1989)
People's Republic of Bulgaria________________________(1946 to 1990)
Polish People's Republic___________________________(1944 to 1989)
German Democratic Republic (East Germany)___________(1946 to 1990)
Albanian Socialist People's Republic__________________(1946 to 1991) (People's Republic 1946-1976; Socialist Republic 1976-1991)
Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia_______________(1945 to 1992) (Democratic Federation 1945-1946; Federal People's Republic 1946-1963; Socialist Federal Republic 1963-1992)
Mongolian People's Republic________________________(1924 to 1991)
The Democratic Republic of Cambodia (Khmer Rouge)___(1975 ~ 1979)
The People's Republic of Cambodia__________________(1979 ~ 1989)
Democratic Republic of Afghanistan__________________(1978 to 1992) (later known as the Republic of Afghanistan)
People's Democratic Republic of Yemen (South Yemen)__ (1967 to 1990)
Ethiopian People's Democratic Republic_______________(1974 to 1991)
People's Republic of Benin_________________________(1975 to 1990)
People's Republic of Angola________________________(1975 to 1992)
People's Republic of the Congo_____________________ (1969 to 1991)
People's Republic of Mozambique____________________(1975 to 1990)
Somali Democratic Republic________________________(1969 to 1991)
The Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya_____ (1951 to 2011) (Not recognized as a socialist country by global mainstream opinions)

Only a few lucky survivors.

The People's Republic of China______________________(1949 to present)
Democratic People's Republic of Korea________________(1948 to present)
The Socialist Republic of Vietnam____________________(1945 to present)
Lao People's Democratic Republic____________________(1975 to present)
The Republic of Cuba_____________________________(1961 to present)
The Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka__________(1948 to present) (Not recognized as a socialist country by global mainstream opinions)

So many people inside and outside these communist countries might very likely draw the following conclusions:

Pure communism is impossible because people are naturally born with different gifts and characteristics.
Pure communism is impracticable because it demands absolute equality in every aspects. How ridiculous !
Pure communism is immoral, because without the sense of private property (privacy), what are we going to do with our families? Sharing husbands, wives and children? Horrible !
Pure communism is a very naive he theory of communism.In fact, you can use it, a lot of contradictory joke.
Pure communism is fundamentally flawed. Because it doesn't take humanity (particularly the grey and dark sides) into consideration.

I think many who think communism and socialism is exactly what has been described above will get satisfied. Since there has been a lot of words, particularly for those tl/nr guys, I suggest if you feel satisfied already, end reading this post here, and take some rest. Because the following are for those interested in what I, an ordinary human being, an ordinary Chinese citizen and a junior communist member have to say.

Secondly, the theory part.

What is Communism?

Communism is the political belief that a social status will ultimately be realized ,where private property rights are not needed, where there is no need for any religion, any moral ideas for inequality and any kind of currency, where there is no class systems, no governments and nations, and where people work together in massive scales with incredible efficiency, and where the working people have whatever they need. This social status will be realized when everybody has a very high sense of the intrinsic need for working and contributing, a very high sense of collaboration, a very high sense and a profound understanding of collectivism that the benefit of all mankind is above personal interests, and especially when the productivity is really high (possibly higher that our current imaginations).

Since there has never been a communist society. Let's go on.

What is Scientific Socialism?

Scientific Socialism, one of Marx's and Engels's main theories, is the political belief that capitalism came because of the advancement of productivity, and therefore will disappear and get replaced by another social system as the productivity keeps advancing. Means of production is publicly owned other that private property. Working people, who have no possession of those means of production, participate in socialized production activities. People enjoy freedom in all reasonable aspects and to the entirety. Nations will naturally disappear, leaving organizations for the sole purpose for making people's lives better and advancing productivity further and further more.

Don't ask me what the different is between a communist society and a scientific socialist society, because there has never been a full-level scientific socialist society.

What is Socialism with Chinese Characteristics?

Socialism with Chinese Characteristics is an official ideology of the Communist Party of China (CPC) based upon scientific socialism. This ideology supports the creation of a socialist market economy dominated by the public sector since China is in the primary stage of socialism. The Chinese government maintains that it has not abandoned Marxism, but has simply developed many of the terms and concepts of Marxist theory to accommodate its new economic system. The CPC argues that socialism is compatible with these economic policies. In current Chinese Communist thinking, China is in the primary stage of socialism, and this view allows the Chinese government to undertake more flexible economic policies to develop into an industrialized nation.

What is Democracy?

Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives. Democracy allows eligible citizens to participate equally -- either directly or through elected representatives—in the proposal, development, and creation of laws. It encompasses social, economic and cultural conditions that enable the free and equal practice of political self-determination.

What is Republicanism?

Republicanism is the ideology of governing a society or state as a republic, where the head of state is appointed by means other than heredity, often through elections. The exact meaning of republicanism varies depending on the cultural and historical context. The term "republic" may indicate 'rule by many people and by law', as opposed to monarchy, or arbitrary rule by one person. Republicanism existed as an identifiable movement in the Roman Republic, where the founder of the Republic, Lucius Junius Brutus denounced the former Roman Kingdom and had the Roman people declare a solemn oath to never allow a monarchy to return again.

What an effort it was ...

Thirdly, the answer part.

With all the context provided, I am glad that I now answer your questions, if you are still interested.

(01-04-2013 05:09 PM)Azaraith Wrote:  How does Communism allow for freedom of the individual, including property rights? The idea is common ownership of the means of production, but that's difficult to achieve without reducing or restricting an individual's right to acquire and own property (land would be means of production - agriculture, as would any vehicle - taxicab, etc).

Never met a communist society (could be no communist nation by definition) before, so I don't know how. Yet I am happy to reason and guess a little bit.

If in a highly advanced society there still were taxicabs, and if someone just loves a driving taxicab both as an ardor and as choice he thinks as his best effort for the participation in the socialized mass production. Well he will get a taxicab from folks who just loves building these vehicles. And he can drive to destinations those people who just love making taxicab drivers fulfilled.

(01-04-2013 05:09 PM)Azaraith Wrote:  Do you feel that China is a purely Communist nation? From what I know of China, they've largely moved away from pure Communism, allowing for a large amount of capitalism - with only select industries/companies controlled directly by the government. 

There is no pure communist nation by definition. There isn't full-level socialist nation by definition.

So China is not a pure communist nation. And she is in the primary stage of (scientific) socialism.

(01-04-2013 05:09 PM)Azaraith Wrote:  Also, as there is no democracy (by definition), how is government control of industries and companies "common ownership of the means of production", since it is apparently anything but? It appears more like "government ownership of the means of production" since the commoner has little to no say in how they are used or what government "represents" them.

China has a nationwide level-by-level election every five years. The nation-level representatives then elect the chairman (president) of China, which position has never been passed down in heredity . These representatives regularly meet to propose, develop and create laws. I voted in such elections. So democracy or not, up to you.

The public (government maybe) owned the land and significant proportions of shares of companies in economic sectors of national lifelines.

(01-04-2013 05:09 PM)Azaraith Wrote:  What do you say to the complete failure of so many nations that were indeed Communist (USSR, Cuba, N. Korea, etc)? What about East vs. West Germany, where the Communists had to build a wall to keep their people in, as the people obviously did not desire to live there?

Complete failure? Why were Westerners once so nervous about USSR, Cuba etc., and now about China that declared to rise peacefully?

I mentioned the horrible deeds in part one. These failed countries were so ossified that they couldn't change. And according to Marx's theory, matter is in constant motion and changes. These failed countries just can stay put, pretending nothing had happened. So if they wouldn't change themselves, then they were meant to be overthrown and changed by others.

As for the wall thing, an obvious reason that people wanted to go to places with better conditions. But on the other hand, like an story between Jimmy Carter and DENG Xiaoping I used in a previous post , "how many do you want? Is 10 million a year OK?"

It is the U.S. now that build high walls with heavy doors to keep immigrants out.Smile

(01-04-2013 07:09 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  No country in world history has ever been a true pure communist country. Pure communism is simply not workable.

Indeed none in history.

Workable or not? Not in the past. Not now. Not likely in the near future. In a thousand year? As a communist, I ponder over it a little and say 'might be, hopefully'.

(01-04-2013 07:09 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Those that support communism are almost always poor/lower economic class because they are the ones that stand to profit from communism. Ironic really that poor people demand communism because "of the greed of the rich", yet they want communism because it means they gain... The middle income/class and rich income/class are subject to lose greatly.

Theoretically communism never happened, therefore maybe is not a good subject to blame upon.

When people overturned the feudalistic monarchy and aristocracy in the capitalistic revolutions, they condemned 'the greed of the monarch and aristocrats' and they gained. Monarchs and aristocrats lost greatly, often also their lives.

Smile Said that jokingly. But that's human nature, which seems hard to change.

(01-04-2013 07:09 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  This is why America was EXTREMELY anti-communism during the last century (and still is), because the majority of Americans are middle class citizens and stand to lose from communism.

After what I explained above, you should be relaxed by now.

And thanks to you adorable American middle class people, Senator McCarthy was quite famous and powerful. Many are still making gains and profits by threatening you adorable American middle class people.

As for the rich people, they already have been making a fortune by setting up sweatshops in 'communist' China for a long long time.

(01-04-2013 07:41 PM)Azaraith Wrote:  Communism gives very little incentive to take risks and create something novel, since the reward for that will very likely be taken by the state (or definitely will, under pure communism).

The way in which capitalism and democracy come along is also messy and bloody.

There's an old saying in China.

You get full after three bowls of rice. It's not right if you only praise the third one and blame the first two bowls as unnecessary waste.

Failure is the mother of success.

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(01-04-2013 07:41 PM)Azaraith Wrote:  some of my questions were *somewhat* rhetorical in that I was kind of poking the bear.

I am no bear. And I answered all your good questions.

If you loves poking, do it gently please.

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(01-04-2013 11:15 PM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(01-04-2013 05:09 PM)Azaraith Wrote:  How does Communism allow for freedom of the individual, including property rights? The idea is common ownership of the means of production, but that's difficult to achieve without reducing or restricting an individual's right to acquire and own property (land would be means of production - agriculture, as would any vehicle - taxicab, etc).

Do you feel that China is a purely Communist nation? From what I know of China, they've largely moved away from pure Communism, allowing for a large amount of capitalism - with only select industries/companies controlled directly by the government.

Also, as there is no democracy (by definition), how is government control of industries and companies "common ownership of the means of production", since it is apparently anything but? It appears more like "government ownership of the means of production" since the commoner has little to no say in how they are used or what government "represents" them.

What do you say to the complete failure of so many nations that were indeed Communist (USSR, Cuba, N. Korea, etc)? What about East vs. West Germany, where the Communists had to build a wall to keep their people in, as the people obviously did not desire to live there?

:thumbsup: Good questions!

Before we start, let us keep in mind that communism was a theory first published nearly 200 hundred years ago by smart but still human beings. Marx himself said that matter is constant in motion and changes. This communism theory should also also comply. Being flawed or even quite wrong in some aspects is not a big deal.

So let's have a sense of balance.

By the way, I am just a human being like you, an ordinary Chinese citizen and a junior communist member, not the Chinese ambassador or a Communism Grand Theorist and Practitioner. I have to look up some stuff and answer you with my own understanding. It might be quite slow for me to answer. My apologies.

If you agree, let's proceed.

First, the reality part.

People made their own interpretations of the predictions made by Marx according to his theory and built nations in their interpretation's image and in the name of communism. They encountered great difficulty. They made catastrophic mistakes.

And people from the West who supposed have enjoyed their democracy and freedom for many years, or even hundreds of years, say the following regarding the communism countries:

There were purges.
There were death sentences with no court or a puppet court or a very biased court involvement at least.
There was force labor.
There were labor or concentration camps.
There was no democracy at all.
There were no elections at all.
There was no freedom at all.
There was this ever-lasting brainwash.
There were lots of dictators.
There was no free speech at all.
There was the CENSORSHIP.
There was no or little possibility that radical thinkers could make their voices heard without being arrested and put into prison or labor camps.
There was no or little possibility that dissidents could make their voices heard without being arrested and put into prison or labor camps.
There was no or little possibility that civil rights leaders could make their voices heard without being arrested prison or and put into labor camps.
There was such rapidness in which all these above happened on they were contacted by the free Western media.
There were horrible criminal activities, atrocities, committed by the governments towards their own people.
There were horrible criminal activities, atrocities, committed by the governments towards the free Western people.
There were many kinds of poisonous stuff distributed the governments towards their own people.
There were many kinds of poisonous stuff distributed the governments towards their own people.
There were people oppressed by the governments.
There were religious people oppressed by the governments.
There were religious people oppressed by the governments who no longer wanted to stand it any more and craved to throw up the nations ASAP.
There were minority peoples oppressed by the governments.
There were minority peoples oppressed by the governments who no longer wanted to stand it any more and craved to split with the nations ASAP.

(Basically what I've heard and could think of. If anything important is missing, you guys can tell me to add it.)

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Actually sounds like a fair description of North Korea.
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(02-04-2013 01:35 AM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  
(01-04-2013 11:15 PM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  Thumbsup Good questions!

Before we start, let us keep in mind that communism was a theory first published nearly 200 hundred years ago by smart but still human beings. Marx himself said that matter is constant in motion and changes. This communism theory should also also comply. Being flawed or even quite wrong in some aspects is not a big deal.

So let's have a sense of balance.

By the way, I am just a human being like you, an ordinary Chinese citizen and a junior communist member, not the Chinese ambassador or a Communism Grand Theorist and Practitioner. I have to look up some stuff and answer you with my own understanding. It might be quite slow for me to answer. My apologies.

If you agree, let's proceed.

First, the reality part.

People made their own interpretations of the predictions made by Marx according to his theory and built nations in their interpretation's image and in the name of communism. They encountered great difficulty. They made catastrophic mistakes.

And people from the West who supposed have enjoyed their democracy and freedom for many years, or even hundreds of years, say the following regarding the communism countries:

There were purges.
There were death sentences with no court or a puppet court or a very biased court involvement at least.
There was force labor.
There were labor or concentration camps.
There was no democracy at all.
There were no elections at all.
There was no freedom at all.
There was this ever-lasting brainwash.
There were lots of dictators.
There was no free speech at all.
There was the CENSORSHIP.
There was no or little possibility that radical thinkers could make their voices heard without being arrested and put into prison or labor camps.
There was no or little possibility that dissidents could make their voices heard without being arrested and put into prison or labor camps.
There was no or little possibility that civil rights leaders could make their voices heard without being arrested prison or and put into labor camps.
There was such rapidness in which all these above happened on they were contacted by the free Western media.
There were horrible criminal activities, atrocities, committed by the governments towards their own people.
There were horrible criminal activities, atrocities, committed by the governments towards the free Western people.
There were many kinds of poisonous stuff distributed the governments towards their own people.
There were many kinds of poisonous stuff distributed the governments towards their own people.
There were people oppressed by the governments.
There were religious people oppressed by the governments.
There were religious people oppressed by the governments who no longer wanted to stand it any more and craved to throw up the nations ASAP.
There were minority peoples oppressed by the governments.
There were minority peoples oppressed by the governments who no longer wanted to stand it any more and craved to split with the nations ASAP.

(Basically what I've heard and could think of. If anything important is missing, you guys can tell me to add it.)

[still under construction]

Actually sounds like a fair description of North Korea.

I've always been a fan of Christopher Hitchen's discription of North Korea as if someone read 1984 and said "Yeah, I could make that work."

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(02-04-2013 04:36 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(02-04-2013 01:35 AM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  Actually sounds like a fair description of North Korea.

I've always been a fan of Christopher Hitchen's discription of North Korea as if someone read 1984 and said "Yeah, I could make that work."

Another person mentioned this 'read 1984'. I am curious what it means exactly?

Edit: Got it, a most popular novel published in 1934.

It's a little like interpreting what's happening now using a book with materials 2013 years ago, is it?

Edit again: For North Korea, really don't know what to say.

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(02-04-2013 05:03 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(02-04-2013 04:36 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  I've always been a fan of Christopher Hitchen's discription of North Korea as if someone read 1984 and said "Yeah, I could make that work."

Another person mentioned this 'read 1984'. I am curious what it means exactly?

Edit: Got it, a most popular novel published in 1984.

It's a little like interpreting what happens now using a book 2013 years ago, is it?

Edit again: For North Korea, really don't know what to say.

"1984" is a book by George Orwell published in 1934 Free online copy

It is a novel in what became known as the dark utopian genre. It shows the world 50 years after a total take-over by comunism centering on 1 man in the new state of Oceania (formerly north america and the british isles) Constant monitoring by the Leader "Big Brother" and an opressive police state where thought-crimes are the largest offense. Orwell was actualy a member of the Comunist party in england before publishing this and Animal Farm" he was kick out of the party shortly after this.

It's not suprising you've never heard of this book as it is banned in most of the world. However in the west it is required reading and if the great firewall will let you look at that free copy I do recomend it.

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(02-04-2013 05:21 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(02-04-2013 05:03 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  Another person mentioned this 'read 1984'. I am curious what it means exactly?

Edit: Got it, a most popular novel published in 1984.

It's a little like interpreting what happens now using a book 2013 years ago, is it?

Edit again: For North Korea, really don't know what to say.

"1984" is a book by George Orwell published in 1934 Free online copy

It is a novel in what became known as the dark utopian genre. It shows the world 50 years after a total take-over by comunism centering on 1 man in the new state of Oceania (formerly north america and the british isles) Constant monitoring by the Leader "Big Brother" and an opressive police state where thought-crimes are the largest offense. Orwell was actualy a member of the Comunist party in england before publishing this and Animal Farm" he was kick out of the party shortly after this.

It's not suprising you've never heard of this book as it is banned in most of the world. However in the west it is required reading and if the great firewall will let you look at that free copy I do recomend it.

Already got that just now. Damn the great firewall for being so incompetent !

Not sophisticated enough for me. It is a novel, published nearly 70 years ago, after all.

Edit: Not informative enough either. I am pretty sure I am going to see a lot of old stories and comments.

Edit: I realized that I am indeed a little arrogant. Because I think I didn't understand the importance of this book in Western culture clearly. So I think I will read it thoroughly.

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(02-04-2013 05:51 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(02-04-2013 05:21 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  "1984" is a book by George Orwell published in 1934 Free online copy

It is a novel in what became known as the dark utopian genre. It shows the world 50 years after a total take-over by comunism centering on 1 man in the new state of Oceania (formerly north america and the british isles) Constant monitoring by the Leader "Big Brother" and an opressive police state where thought-crimes are the largest offense. Orwell was actualy a member of the Comunist party in england before publishing this and Animal Farm" he was kick out of the party shortly after this.

It's not suprising you've never heard of this book as it is banned in most of the world. However in the west it is required reading and if the great firewall will let you look at that free copy I do recomend it.

Already got that just now. Damn the great firewall for being so incompetent !

Not sophisticated enough for me. It is a novel, published nearly 70 years ago, after all.


Not sophisticated enough for you? That is such an ignorant statement.Consider

I'd suggest you actually read it. Then you may comment intelligently.

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(02-04-2013 05:51 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  Already got that just now. Damn the great firewall for being so incompetent !

Not sophisticated enough for me. It is a novel, published nearly 70 years ago, after all.


Not sophisticated enough for you? That is such an ignorant statement.Consider

I'd suggest you actually read it. Then you may comment intelligently.

It's boring. How's that for an intelligent comment? Big Grin

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