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06-04-2013, 12:51 PM
RE: Ask a (GASP) CHINESE COMMUNIST ! ! !
(06-04-2013 12:37 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(06-04-2013 09:09 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  Please show at least 100 evidences.
Here, here and here.

I was joking and once again four guys didn't get it. But nothing big at all.

Good. You have the standard answers. Don't bother asking me. Stick on to it. Good luck.

If you have a question you are interested in, and if I feel comfortable sharing the information, there's a deal. Simple as that.

Thank you sir. End of conversation.

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06-04-2013, 01:13 PM
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(06-04-2013 09:01 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  It's your freedom not to read and think about my post.

It's also my freedom to ignore you.

And a picture for you. I heard things like this were TOTALLY CENSORED ! Please explain and show at least 100 evidences. (I will take some rest and keep ignoring you.)

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Oh never mind...sorry.


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06-04-2013, 01:27 PM (This post was last modified: 06-04-2013 01:33 PM by HU.Junyuan.)
RE: Ask a (GASP) CHINESE COMMUNIST ! ! !
(06-04-2013 01:13 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(06-04-2013 09:01 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  It's your freedom not to read and think about my post.

It's also my freedom to ignore you.

And a picture for you. I heard things like this were TOTALLY CENSORED ! Please explain and show at least 100 evidences. (I will take some rest and keep ignoring you.)

[Image: flower-power-luminous-inspirations1.jpg]

Oh never mind...sorry.

It was merely a joke. But a kid in the U.S. was banned from school for two days for biting a sandwich into something 'resembling' a pistol. Another girl shooting a water gun at another kid was also punished heavily. Proud free people...

For people who have standard answers, if my answers were different, the first thing occurred to their minds wasn't "could this be real? is it reasonable? is it logical?". Instead it was "that's different from the standard answer. He must be wrong." If so, why bother asking? Save some breathes.

If you have other questions you're interested in, feel free to ask.

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06-04-2013, 02:23 PM
RE: Ask a (GASP) CHINESE COMMUNIST ! ! !
(06-04-2013 01:27 PM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(06-04-2013 01:13 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  Oh never mind...sorry.

It was merely a joke. But a kid in the U.S. was banned from school for two days for biting a sandwich into something 'resembling' a pistol. Another girl shooting a water gun at another kid was also punished heavily. Proud free people...

For people who have standard answers, if my answers were different, the first thing occurred to their minds wasn't "could this be real? is it reasonable? is it logical?". Instead it was "that's different from the standard answer. He must be wrong." If so, why bother asking? Save some breathes.

If you have other questions you're interested in, feel free to ask.

Yea I figured that out. Smile don't really have a question, just a remark on what you wrote in reply.

Stupid shit happens everywhere. A friend's child was suspended for bringing advil to school. Many places today have what they call zero tolerance policies, I don't quite agree with it. But I do understsnd that society is like a rubber band, if it's stretched too far, it snaps back with a sting.

I'm sure you have your own stupid shit where you live.

And just a small point, we did fight hard for our freedom. We weren't liberated by another country or enveloped...we faught hard for it. We have flaws. You eat your food one bite at a time just like we do.

Your country has its own history and flaws.


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06-04-2013, 02:38 PM
RE: Ask a (GASP) CHINESE COMMUNIST ! ! !
I'm afraid I haven't read the other replies, but I'm interested to respond to this. I apologize if the material has been covered - if it has, don't bother to respond, as I read the thread I'll catch up.

(06-04-2013 09:40 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  (1) Do you guys have approved applications? No? Go away! It is illegal for you to be here!

(2) Yes, I do understand you have every your freedom to protest here. But without approval, it is ILLEGAL ! Follow the procedures and get an approval first!

(3) Yes, I am arresting you guys. Not because I want to oppress your freedom, but because we cared for your health! You guys violated health related LAWS ! I am taking you away for your own good ! If you still want to come back after medical inspections and the observation periods, you are welcome. But do remember the laws !

The point of civil disobedience *is* precisely that it is illegal. Imagine for a second that you have a megalomaniac in charge of your country, as my own country (Zimbabwe) has had for a very long time. Can you see how making a protest illegal by fiat means that no one can do anything about it ? This is my concern with these proposed responses. In Zim, a protest about the government was *always* a risky proposition. In fact, I never participated in one. But often people were shot or beaten *merely for being there*. Police brutality was and is a major problem. When those in power are not working for the benefit of the people... *major* issues. I want to know if people's rights are still protected if they choose to take part in a protest.

In South Africa the situation is much better if you can call it that. People make violent protests often, and often people are killed, but the state cannot *shut down* a protest, as much as they would love to, because there's always been a strong tradition here of striking and violent protest action - the police, government and even the army do not have sufficient force to control something of this magnitude, and also the freedom of the press (something which the bastard president Jacob Zuma is trying very hard to undermine) is sufficient that people get called out on bad policy and decisions.

Also have you heard of Jung Chang and / or read Wild Swans ? There's been a few other books with major impact in the West such as Red China Blues and... I can't think of any others off the top of my head ? What is your opinion of the Red Brigades ?
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06-04-2013, 02:45 PM
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(06-04-2013 02:23 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  Your country has its own history and flaws.

Indeed.

I never said in my post that I live in a perfect country happily forever.

Where did the freedom I now enjoy come from?

The bloodshed in 1989 has its own share. And there's more.

People learn from the conflicts in our long history and from the whole world.

The cultural revolution was a painful lesson.

The collapse of the U.S.S.R taught us also.

Gulf wars, Afghanistan war, Iraqi war bring to us more information about democracy and corporate profits (who made great money in the oil futures market?)

Books, movies and other media of western culture like the book 1984 had great influence on our culture.

Capital becomes increasingly important. Capital owners demand more power and freedom. As a side effect, we ordinary people cut a share since we are the ally needed by the capital owners.

I am not denying the flaws.

Discuss it with ration and good will. And that will be appreciated.

Thanks for your post again. Thumbsup

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06-04-2013, 02:49 PM
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(06-04-2013 01:27 PM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(06-04-2013 01:13 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  Oh never mind...sorry.

It was merely a joke. But a kid in the U.S. was banned from school for two days for biting a sandwich into something 'resembling' a pistol. Another girl shooting a water gun at another kid was also punished heavily. Proud free people...

For people who have standard answers, if my answers were different, the first thing occurred to their minds wasn't "could this be real? is it reasonable? is it logical?". Instead it was "that's different from the standard answer. He must be wrong." If so, why bother asking? Save some breathes.

If you have other questions you're interested in, feel free to ask.

As long as we're pointing out anecdotes and using individual stories to make a point, how do you explain this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r8LvM20-C0

What honorable, loving people.

My point is, the stories you list are outliers from certain schools that went overboard. Other schools are far less restricting, and some go to the other extreme. My school allowed me to build a rifle for a school project and fire it for a demonstration (it was a Kentucky longrifle and was fired without a ball in it, so not dangerous). It is up to each school to make policies and enforce them, the fact that some go to such ridiculous extremes is silly, but says nothing about freedom in the US. They make the news in the US and abroad because of how out of the ordinary they are, not because all students in all schools will be punished the same for doing something similar.
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06-04-2013, 03:03 PM (This post was last modified: 06-04-2013 03:19 PM by HU.Junyuan.)
RE: Ask a (GASP) CHINESE COMMUNIST ! ! !
(06-04-2013 02:49 PM)Azaraith Wrote:  
(06-04-2013 01:27 PM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  It was merely a joke. But a kid in the U.S. was banned from school for two days for biting a sandwich into something 'resembling' a pistol. Another girl shooting a water gun at another kid was also punished heavily. Proud free people...

For people who have standard answers, if my answers were different, the first thing occurred to their minds wasn't "could this be real? is it reasonable? is it logical?". Instead it was "that's different from the standard answer. He must be wrong." If so, why bother asking? Save some breathes.

If you have other questions you're interested in, feel free to ask.

As long as we're pointing out anecdotes and using individual stories to make a point, how do you explain this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r8LvM20-C0

What honorable, loving people.

My point is, the stories you list are outliers from certain schools that went overboard. Other schools are far less restricting, and some go to the other extreme. My school allowed me to build a rifle for a school project and fire it for a demonstration (it was a Kentucky longrifle and was fired without a ball in it, so not dangerous). It is up to each school to make policies and enforce them, the fact that some go to such ridiculous extremes is silly, but says nothing about freedom in the US. They make the news in the US and abroad because of how out of the ordinary they are, not because all students in all schools will be punished the same for doing something similar.

Before we start, I have to ask you seriously. What part are you most interested in this piece of news, and what more do you want to know?

If you want me to have the impression that U.S. people are good, Chinese people are horrible, fair enough for yourself. No need for me to continue.

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06-04-2013, 03:17 PM
RE: Ask a (GASP) CHINESE COMMUNIST ! ! !
(06-04-2013 02:38 PM)morondog Wrote:  Also have you heard of Jung Chang and / or read Wild Swans ? There's been a few other books with major impact in the West such as Red China Blues and... I can't think of any others off the top of my head ? What is your opinion of the Red Brigades ?

News here about Africa is mainly how much the government and corporations invested to build mines, schools, hospitals, strengthening ties with local governments and making profits in a win-win situations.

I heard about the South Africa Mine Shooting thing. Sad thing. Things like this, civil disobedience, happened, varied in scales but with much less bloodshed.

Red China Blues basically also portraits the life of my mothers' generation, how the hot blood cools down, how the beliefs became broken and come back again yet maybe quite different.

And as for the Red Brigades, I think military actions now is really not possible to reach communism or even socialism. Still a lot to do to improve productivity which is still not enough for the middle stage of socialism in China.

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06-04-2013, 04:25 PM
RE: Ask a (GASP) CHINESE COMMUNIST ! ! !
(06-04-2013 03:03 PM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(06-04-2013 02:49 PM)Azaraith Wrote:  As long as we're pointing out anecdotes and using individual stories to make a point, how do you explain this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r8LvM20-C0

What honorable, loving people.

My point is, the stories you list are outliers from certain schools that went overboard. Other schools are far less restricting, and some go to the other extreme. My school allowed me to build a rifle for a school project and fire it for a demonstration (it was a Kentucky longrifle and was fired without a ball in it, so not dangerous). It is up to each school to make policies and enforce them, the fact that some go to such ridiculous extremes is silly, but says nothing about freedom in the US. They make the news in the US and abroad because of how out of the ordinary they are, not because all students in all schools will be punished the same for doing something similar.

Before we start, I have to ask you seriously. What part are you most interested in this piece of news, and what more do you want to know?

If you want me to have the impression that U.S. people are good, Chinese people are horrible, fair enough for yourself. No need for me to continue.

The point I was making is that you can't make a judgement about an entire culture, including its freedom, based on an anecdote. I don't think the Chinese people are horrible people - but if I was to base my opinion on an anecdote like you were with the sandwich story, etc I would be able to view them as dishonorable, horrible people based on that particular cherry picked story.

It was a purposefully incorrect conclusion, to illustrate how incorrect your conclusion about the freedom of Americans was. Personally, I think that story was also an outlier and not representative of your people, just of those particular people in that particular circumstance.
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