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10-04-2013, 06:12 PM
Ask a (GASP) CHINESE COMMUNIST ! ! !
(10-04-2013 07:08 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Firstly, I am perfect in every way.

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10-04-2013, 06:42 PM
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10-04-2013, 07:20 PM
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(10-04-2013 06:56 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Go back and re-read the OP.
You tell me if it's the prior or the later. I would place money on it being the prior.
I honestly believe he has never thought a negative thought, or repressed negative thoughts, of the party his entire life, which is why he is unable to formulate an opinion on the matter. It's never been raised at his meetings, it's never talked about in the media or anywhere etc.. so he simply conforms and acts like nothing is occurring.

I get that it's a shitty situation, I could even get doing nothing, but what I don't understand and baffles me is how he can actively participate and be proud that it's happening.

I certainly have suspicions. However, Gorbachev could recite communist dogma as well as any Soviet leader. But he also marshaled reforms --'glastnost' and 'perestroika'.

I think the example of Soviet collapse after granting freedoms is a big barrier for reformers in China. They clearly fear that opening up free speech could lead to a collapse in their government in a similar way. China seems to be doing some of the perestroika stuff, although very cautiously and with an eye on keeping tight controls on everything unlike what the Soviets did.
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10-04-2013, 07:51 PM (This post was last modified: 10-04-2013 08:06 PM by HU.Junyuan.)
RE: Ask a (GASP) CHINESE COMMUNIST ! ! !
This Tiananmen issue talk is really a heated discussion ... So I sum what I said and discussed in the previous posts up as follows, in case anybody is interesting, since it's already pages away:

(1) Do I acknowledge the Tiananmen issue?
Yes, in quite a few posts. And I said I watched it on TV.

(2) My opinion on this issue?
[1] I said I am proud of those who sacrifice themselves for noble causes.
[2] Yet their poor management of their encampment and in-fights for power over the right to represent the many in front of western media subtracted some points and made their claims not that convincing.
[3] The way the Chinese government handled the issue was quite crude. Just learn from the U.S.' dealing with the Occupy Wall Street Movement. Property rights violations, health concerns, illegal encampments are much more civil reasons and approaches than the 'not good, use tanks' way.

(3) Does the Chinese government censor the information? There answer can be many levels.
[1] Top five in search results (China's search engine, such as Baidu)? No.
[2] Any search results? Yes. Within top 100.
[3] Government censorship? Up to you.

(4) My stance on the government news media/internet censorship?
Is this a subjective question or an objective choice with a standard answer given by the person who asked this question? If it is a choice thing, I give up.

If it is a question I could answer my way, I said it was a complicated issue:
[1] I paid a fee and I could log on to this site directly.
[2] I used a proxy to visit Youtube.
[3] The Great Fire Wall does exist, mainly to filter out certain disturbing information for the general public.
[4] The whole issue is not a white or black, with us or against us kind of situation. And I used some news to show the complexity.
[5] I am not paid to be the spokesman of the government. I provided one answer to the best of my ability. I have no duty to satisfy the question raiser, do I?
[6] Why Youtube is filtered? Ask the Chinese government ! As long as I can use a proxy to get across, I don't care !

(5) Am I a government employee or affiliated with some secret governmental operations?
I wish I was because at least somebody would pay me for typing so many words. It's really painful especially when it is not in the first language.

And I wish they had provided me with better technology if I had been an agent so that I wouldn't have been detected by Chas so quickly !

(6) Will my saying the things above do me much harm?
Thanks for those who cared. So far I am still here typing the above sentences, which is really a pain in the [beep], instead of being in a cellar in a few people's imagination.

(7) Since not that much harm, why not stand up earlier and clarify things?
Much of the above was said in my posts. People are free to feel unsatisfied.

(8) Finally, do you trust me? Do I trust you?
This is the basis for how this thread could go on.

I answered some questions and some found it interesting, genuine and logical. Some guys trusted me. And they might want to ask more.

I also found quite a few guys' questions interesting, well-intentioned and friendly. I trusted them and feel comfortable answering their questions.

(9) Why things went messy?
We are discussing serious heavy stuff, politics. If I don't trust the question raiser and he/she doesn't trust my answers, why bother wasting time telling lies without pay and detecting lies with a lot of pain?

(10) Conclusion.
When I first came to this forum, I didn't hide my identity. I openly said that I am a junior Chinese communist and a CPC member. And by now many of you will already have realized that I am just a quite ordinary person like those in your daily lives.

We were strangers. We said hello. We talked about interesting things in our lives. We became acquainted, or we disliked each other and parted like strangers (and as polite strangers, the next time we met, we should still say hello at least). And that's how things always have been.

I am happy that I find quite some international forum members who supported me and are friendly to me. I started this thread with the very purpose of sharing information with people like you. So let this be our new OP.

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10-04-2013, 08:06 PM
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(10-04-2013 07:51 PM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  This Tiananmen issue talk is really a heated discussion ... So I sum what I said and discussed in the previous posts up as follows, in case anybody is interesting, since it's already pages away:

(1) Do I acknowledge the Tiananmen issue?
Yes, in quite a few posts. And I said I watched it on TV.

(2) My opinion on this issue?
[1] I said I am proud of those who sacrifice themselves for noble causes.
[2] Yet their poor management of their encampment and in-fights for power over the right to represent the many in front of western media subtracted some points and made their claims not that convincing.
[3] The way the Chinese government handled the issue was quite crude. Just learn from the U.S.' dealing with the Occupy Wall Street Movement. Property rights violations, health concerns, illegal encampments are much more civil reasons and approaches than the 'not good, use tanks' way.

(3) Does the Chinese government censor the information? There answer can be many levels.
[1] Top five in search results (China's search engine, such as Baidu)? No.
[2] Any search results? Yes. Within top 100.
[3] Government censorship? Up to you.

(4) My stance on the government news media/internet censorship?
Is this a subjective question or an objective choice with a standard answer given by the person who asked this question? If it is a choice thing, I give up.
If it is a question I could answer my way, I said it was a complicated issue:
[1] I paid a fee and I could log on to this site directly.
[2] I used a proxy to visit Youtube.
[3] The Great Fire Wall does exist, mainly to filter out certain disturbing information for the general public.
[4] The whole issue is not a white or black, with us or against us kind of situation. And I used some news to show the complexity.
[5] I am not paid to be the spokesman of the government. I provided one answer to the best of my ability. I have no duty to satisfy the question raiser, do I?
[6] Why Youtube is filtered? Ask the Chinese government ! As long as I can use a proxy to get across, I don't care !

(5) Am I a government employee or affiliated with some secret governmental operations?
I wish I was because at least somebody would pay me for typing so many words. It's really painful especially when it is not in the first language.
And I wish they had provided me with better technology if I had been an agent so that I wouldn't have been detected by Chas so quickly !

(6) Will my saying the things above do me much harm?
Thanks for those who cared. So far I am still here typing the above sentences, which is really a pain in the [beep], instead of being in a cellar in a few people's imagination.

(7) Since not that much harm, why not stand up earlier and clarify things?
Much of the above was said in my posts. People are free to feel unsatisfied.

(8) Finally, do you trust me? Do I trust you?
This is the basis for how this thread could go on.
I answered some questions and some found it interesting, genuine and logical. Some guys trusted me. And they might want to ask more.
I also found quite a few guys' questions interesting, well-intentioned and friendly. I trusted them and feel comfortable answering their questions.

(9) Why things went messy?
We are discussing serious heavy stuff, politics. If I don't trust the question raiser and he/she doesn't trust my answers, why bother wasting time telling lies without pay and detecting lies with a lot of pain?

(10) Conclusion.
I am happy that I find you international forum members who supported me and are friendly to me. I started this thread with the very purpose of sharing information with people like you. So let this be our new OP.

Thank you for the thought out summary. I hope I haven't been too confrontational in my posts as that was not my intent. As a small piece of advice I would recommend the next time you do not feel comfortable answering a question you simply state "I do not feel comfortable answering this question" and leave it at that. The multiple emoticons do feel condescending and it has the effect of getting someones back up.

On to a question What do you and any friends you may have do for fun on a night out? Any particular places you try to visit food you eat ect...

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10-04-2013, 08:48 PM
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(10-04-2013 07:51 PM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  This Tiananmen issue talk is really a heated discussion ... So I sum what I said and discussed in the previous posts up as follows, in case anybody is interesting, since it's already pages away:

(1) Do I acknowledge the Tiananmen issue?
Yes, in quite a few posts. And I said I watched it on TV.

(2) My opinion on this issue?
[1] I said I am proud of those who sacrifice themselves for noble causes.
[2] Yet their poor management of their encampment and in-fights for power over the right to represent the many in front of western media subtracted some points and made their claims not that convincing.
[3] The way the Chinese government handled the issue was quite crude. Just learn from the U.S.' dealing with the Occupy Wall Street Movement. Property rights violations, health concerns, illegal encampments are much more civil reasons and approaches than the 'not good, use tanks' way.

(3) Does the Chinese government censor the information? There answer can be many levels.
[1] Top five in search results (China's search engine, such as Baidu)? No.
[2] Any search results? Yes. Within top 100.
[3] Government censorship? Up to you.

(4) My stance on the government news media/internet censorship?
Is this a subjective question or an objective choice with a standard answer given by the person who asked this question? If it is a choice thing, I give up.

If it is a question I could answer my way, I said it was a complicated issue:
[1] I paid a fee and I could log on to this site directly.
[2] I used a proxy to visit Youtube.
[3] The Great Fire Wall does exist, mainly to filter out certain disturbing information for the general public.
[4] The whole issue is not a white or black, with us or against us kind of situation. And I used some news to show the complexity.
[5] I am not paid to be the spokesman of the government. I provided one answer to the best of my ability. I have no duty to satisfy the question raiser, do I?
[6] Why Youtube is filtered? Ask the Chinese government ! As long as I can use a proxy to get across, I don't care !

(5) Am I a government employee or affiliated with some secret governmental operations?
I wish I was because at least somebody would pay me for typing so many words. It's really painful especially when it is not in the first language.

And I wish they had provided me with better technology if I had been an agent so that I wouldn't have been detected by Chas so quickly !

(6) Will my saying the things above do me much harm?
Thanks for those who cared. So far I am still here typing the above sentences, which is really a pain in the [beep], instead of being in a cellar in a few people's imagination.

(7) Since not that much harm, why not stand up earlier and clarify things?
Much of the above was said in my posts. People are free to feel unsatisfied.

(8) Finally, do you trust me? Do I trust you?
This is the basis for how this thread could go on.

I answered some questions and some found it interesting, genuine and logical. Some guys trusted me. And they might want to ask more.

I also found quite a few guys' questions interesting, well-intentioned and friendly. I trusted them and feel comfortable answering their questions.

(9) Why things went messy?
We are discussing serious heavy stuff, politics. If I don't trust the question raiser and he/she doesn't trust my answers, why bother wasting time telling lies without pay and detecting lies with a lot of pain?

(10) Conclusion.
When I first came to this forum, I didn't hide my identity. I openly said that I am a junior Chinese communist and a CPC member. And by now many of you will already have realized that I am just a quite ordinary person like those in your daily lives.

We were strangers. We said hello. We talked about interesting things in our lives. We became acquainted, or we disliked each other and parted like strangers (and as polite strangers, the next time we met, we should still say hello at least). And that's how things always have been.

I am happy that I find quite some international forum members who supported me and are friendly to me. I started this thread with the very purpose of sharing information with people like you. So let this be our new OP.

Thanx for response.

I wouldn't compare Tiananmen with Occupy Wall Street. And characterizing the response by China's government as 'crude' is an understatement. A better comparison might be the Selma voting rights marches (kicked off on 'Bloody Sunday') during the US civil rights movement. (ref. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma_to_Mo...ry_marches ). I say it is a better comparison because both produced very violent reactions by government, and both were fights for civil rights. Of course everything in China is bigger Smile And the Tiananmen protests resulted in thousands of injured citizens and hundreds of deaths.

You can use proxies to peak around the 'Great Firewall'. What about others who are not as knowledgeable or resourceful as you?

Again, I appreciate the thought you put into your most recent posting. I and others may seem focused on these 'heavy' topics, but these really are the issues that are the source of disagreements between China and Western governments, even if as ordinary citizens we think and worry about our daily lives more than what our governments do.

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10-04-2013, 10:53 PM
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the west tried to exploit the tiannamen square incident, however the west failed to notifiy their public that none of the protesters were calling for an end to the communist system in China. The west also only acknowledges cracking down on protesters if the government is not pro-U.S.

since when did the U.S. become concerned about human rights? Drinking Beverage
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11-04-2013, 03:08 AM (This post was last modified: 11-04-2013 03:53 AM by HU.Junyuan.)
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(10-04-2013 08:06 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Thank you for the thought out summary. I hope I haven't been too confrontational in my posts as that was not my intent. As a small piece of advice I would recommend the next time you do not feel comfortable answering a question you simply state "I do not feel comfortable answering this question" and leave it at that. The multiple emoticons do feel condescending and it has the effect of getting someones back up.

On to a question What do you and any friends you may have do for fun on a night out? Any particular places you try to visit food you eat ect...

Let's seek what common ground we stand on and reserve our differences.

And indeed we've found a good place to start:

Grills

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Ma La Tang

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Hot Pot

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I usually go to street vendors or those restaurants along the street, whose business are really great at night.

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11-04-2013, 03:19 AM
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(10-04-2013 08:48 PM)BryanS Wrote:  Thanx for response.

I wouldn't compare Tiananmen with Occupy Wall Street. And characterizing the response by China's government as 'crude' is an understatement. A better comparison might be the Selma voting rights marches (kicked off on 'Bloody Sunday') during the US civil rights movement. (ref. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma_to_Mo...ry_marches ). I say it is a better comparison because both produced very violent reactions by government, and both were fights for civil rights. Of course everything in China is bigger Smile And the Tiananmen protests resulted in thousands of injured citizens and hundreds of deaths.

You can use proxies to peak around the 'Great Firewall'. What about others who are not as knowledgeable or resourceful as you?

Again, I appreciate the thought you put into your most recent posting. I and others may seem focused on these 'heavy' topics, but these really are the issues that are the source of disagreements between China and Western governments, even if as ordinary citizens we think and worry about our daily lives more than what our governments do.

Is being a member of the communist party a career decision? What motivated you to join?

I really don't feel comfortable to discuss the free speech and censorship thing for the moment because we don't know each other well and the differences between us is indeed a grand barrier for such in-depth discussions. Let's reserve our differences and seek common grounds.

The CPC membership thing is really like the club membership thing. Because the CPC keeps recruiting elites in universities, corporations and other organizations, and urging her members to remain among the best, it's kinda cool if someone is a formal member, just like the club thing instead of a career.

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11-04-2013, 04:55 AM
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(11-04-2013 03:19 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(10-04-2013 08:48 PM)BryanS Wrote:  Thanx for response.

I wouldn't compare Tiananmen with Occupy Wall Street. And characterizing the response by China's government as 'crude' is an understatement. A better comparison might be the Selma voting rights marches (kicked off on 'Bloody Sunday') during the US civil rights movement. (ref. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma_to_Mo...ry_marches ). I say it is a better comparison because both produced very violent reactions by government, and both were fights for civil rights. Of course everything in China is bigger Smile And the Tiananmen protests resulted in thousands of injured citizens and hundreds of deaths.

You can use proxies to peak around the 'Great Firewall'. What about others who are not as knowledgeable or resourceful as you?

Again, I appreciate the thought you put into your most recent posting. I and others may seem focused on these 'heavy' topics, but these really are the issues that are the source of disagreements between China and Western governments, even if as ordinary citizens we think and worry about our daily lives more than what our governments do.

Is being a member of the communist party a career decision? What motivated you to join?

I really don't feel comfortable to discuss the free speech and censorship thing for the moment because we don't know each other well and the differences between us is indeed a grand barrier for such in-depth discussions. Let's reserve our differences and seek common grounds.

The CPC membership thing is really like the club membership thing. Because the CPC keeps recruiting elites in universities, corporations and other organizations, and urging her members to remain among the best, it's kinda cool if someone is a formal member, just like the club thing instead of a career.

Hu, Censorship is alive and well in capitalist nations, in todays afghanistan and Iraq are prime examples of capitalist censorship going on in those countries.

The U.S. is different because the U.S. government doesn't have to censor most of the time, because in the U.S. it is the private corporations that do the censoring. Here is one example among many: A man named Phil Donahue in the U.S. had a televeision show on a major corporate news network, his show was the most popular in it's time slot. Before the U.S. invasion of Iraq Phil Donahue was speaking out against the war, this man was fired from his television show because he was going against government views.

A more current one is Bradley Manning, Bradley Manning right now is on trial for exposing U.S. abuses of Iraqi citizens. Bradley Manning has been tortured and been on a long trial for his actions in exposing the U.S. abuses in Iraq.

The people on here will pretend that censorship doesn't happen in capitalist, but that isn't true so don't believe them
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