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03-05-2013, 11:04 PM
RE: Ask a (GASP) CHINESE COMMUNIST ! ! !
(03-05-2013 10:42 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  I would think that getting a train ticket without a problem is not the issue here. The numbers are in the billions of dollars for a relatively few individuals (89.9 billion divided by 70 indivduals is a staggering amount of money in the hands of a few). It's not the nickel and dime graft the chart is addressing!

The train ticket thing is my personal experience which I guess is preferred to than the diplomatic talk which people can easily get over the internet, right?

And the news of 2012 is indeed astonishing, especially by comparing the per capita incomes of the two countries, which makes it seem so nice that the U.S. wealth is much more fairly distributed and the superstructure much more honest. I don't have strong evidences to disagree. Yet there were quite some Chinese comments to this piece of news saying that these wealthy Chinese Congress members were much less educated to learn the skill of putting a good-looking representative in front of themselves and making themselves less of a target.

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04-05-2013, 08:26 AM
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"From each according to their abilities. To each according their needs"....the fundamental structure of the philosophy of Communism. In this sense and in the context of this philosophy each of us is a Communist and adheres to the behavior of this fundamental structure when when we coexist with our closest friends and with our family if love is the basis of the relationship. The struggle to balance and equalize the economic benefits of this life is the struggle of the quality of the human brain with the scarcity of resources. We are all not yet family but one day perhaps we will be if the forces of ignorance and superstition do not force the war that all of us fear.

Personally I am pessimistic. The forces of ignorance and superstition are far stronger than the need to cooperate. Religion is only one byproduct of the force. Adherence to the self, fear of change, the inability to predict the immediate or the distant future, the ignorance of purpose, the inevitable practice of competition and especially the fear of death all are contributing factors to the demise of the most complex of animals on this planet. If war does come to the human species it may not exterminate all human life but the return to the practices of the past is almost inevitable since that lies in the history of human behavior.

There is only one direction and one principle that I have ever heard of that can and should counter that inevitability. The philosophy of science applied to the social scheme is expressed throughout the Venus Project and it's present day presentations. Communism and Socialism are crude and obviously ineffective and Capitalism is only a promotion of the forces of scarcity. Capitalism wins, by the way, because of the ignorance and superstitions of 7.5 billion human beings.
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06-05-2013, 04:15 PM
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(04-05-2013 08:26 AM)Joemailman Wrote:  "From each according to their abilities. To each according their needs"....the fundamental structure of the philosophy of Communism. In this sense and in the context of this philosophy each of us is a Communist and adheres to the behavior of this fundamental structure when when we coexist with our closest friends and with our family if love is the basis of the relationship. The struggle to balance and equalize the economic benefits of this life is the struggle of the quality of the human brain with the scarcity of resources. We are all not yet family but one day perhaps we will be if the forces of ignorance and superstition do not force the war that all of us fear.

Personally I am pessimistic. The forces of ignorance and superstition are far stronger than the need to cooperate. Religion is only one byproduct of the force. Adherence to the self, fear of change, the inability to predict the immediate or the distant future, the ignorance of purpose, the inevitable practice of competition and especially the fear of death all are contributing factors to the demise of the most complex of animals on this planet. If war does come to the human species it may not exterminate all human life but the return to the practices of the past is almost inevitable since that lies in the history of human behavior.

There is only one direction and one principle that I have ever heard of that can and should counter that inevitability. The philosophy of science applied to the social scheme is expressed throughout the Venus Project and it's present day presentations. Communism and Socialism are crude and obviously ineffective and Capitalism is only a promotion of the forces of scarcity. Capitalism wins, by the way, because of the ignorance and superstitions of 7.5 billion human beings.

I like much of what you say here, but your pessimism sounds rather extreme. Perhaps I am simply not understanding you. You speak of war as though it's a new thing. Like something we are unprepared for because we've never experienced before.

You make it sound like the most daunting thing humans have ever experienced in their history. What manner of war are you envisioning? Or am I misunderstanding?
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11-05-2013, 09:31 PM
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My grandfather was in China as Communism literally conquered the country. He escaped through Tibet, and met and became friends with the Dalai Lama. It wore on him greatly, not being able to save Tibet.

It's true that Tibet wasn't well-off living entirely under one religion (isolation and climate don't help either) but they were much worse off under Chinese communism. Basically, they colonized Tibet, and colonialism is shitty ethics and damnable in almost every respect. So yeah, I don't like China. (the people are fine, it's the government that I'm not fond of).

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11-05-2013, 09:41 PM
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(11-05-2013 09:31 PM)dreamingfifi Wrote:  My grandfather was in China as Communism literally conquered the country. He escaped through Tibet, and met and became friends with the Dalai Lama. It wore on him greatly, not being able to save Tibet.

It's true that Tibet wasn't well-off living entirely under one religion (isolation and climate don't help either) but they were much worse off under Chinese communism. Basically, they colonized Tibet, and colonialism is shitty ethics and damnable in almost every respect. So yeah, I don't like China. (the people are fine, it's the government that I'm not fond of).

Well the people living in tibet now would disagree with the exception of the Buddhist monks. Most of the population has actually achieved a higher standard of living under chinese rule. If you look past propaganda and see what is actually happening in the province it is better now than it was under the rule of the Dalai Lama's.

Now the current Lama is a cool guy and I got nothing against him now but even he has said that the former system was bad.

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12-05-2013, 05:45 AM
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Revenant, although the population dynamics have also changed significantly. Ethnic Tibetans are apparently a minority within "Greater Tibet". There is a wikipedia page on the subject, but I'll warn that the citations are not very good[1].

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinicization_of_Tibet

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23-05-2013, 03:23 AM
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How about that Anti-Rightest movement in the late 50's eh?

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23-05-2013, 06:56 AM (This post was last modified: 23-05-2013 07:03 AM by HU.Junyuan.)
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(23-05-2013 03:23 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  How about that Anti-Rightest movement in the late 50's eh?

My grandfather on my mother's side was a pilot who took part in an uprising against the then retreating KMT air forces, one of PRC's earliest civil airline pilots. The central government gave those uprising pilots really high wages. My grandpa earned 1/5 more than Chairman Mao in the early 50's. With his compassion for the new country, he asked for a lower pay whenever there's a chance the wages of everyone else could be increased.

And in the Anti-Rightest movement in the late 50's, he was categorized as a rightist because he wrote honestly in an inquiry form that he was a staff member (not a worker or a peasant) and he had been from a family who had employed two apprentices (again, not a worker or a peasant, but a 'capitalist', and those two apprentices actually treated my grandpa's father who hired them with great respect). He was publicly humiliated and kept imprisoned for a very long time at a place none of the family knew at that time.

I don't know exactly when he was released, but he finally got back home. After China started to reform and open up, my grandpa fought hard to get his name back, and he has gotten it back, along with compensation and a high retirement pay. He died 15 years ago, not a communist all his life.

Similar things happen to my grandfather on my father's side, who was actually an senior communist party member and one leader of the communist guerrilla forces in my province. He had been so wronged that he ran away and intended to jump off the Wuhan Yangtse River Bridge to end the misery. He didn't do that because he saw a little boy on the bridge that day who looked like my father. And he came back to my city, got questioned, beaten up hard and made a shepherd on the hills nearby where he used to take me to on a walk when I was little.

He got his engineer job back later on and became an important leader of a state-owned enterprise group receiving provincial treatment, with his medical expenses all covered. He died 2 years ago, still a communist.

I love them, they loved me. And now I am a communist.

So, earmuffs, your point by referring to the Anti-Rightest movement in the late 50's being?

And by the way, what do you really want to achieve by asking so many questions you've know so much about?

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23-05-2013, 07:12 AM
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Speaking of the 50's, I am curious about something...

What is your perspective on China getting involved in the Korean war? And, if you were taught history, was it explained why China became involved directly, and perhaps why they came to North Korea's physical military aid so late?

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23-05-2013, 07:18 AM
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Just highlighting a period of Chinese history (one of them) where anyone that wasn't dead poor was humiliated, beaten, had their name tarnished, had their property stolen etc.. where all the intellectuals in your country were virtually either killed, locked up or otherwise kicked out. And why were they? Because your god, Mao, decided to implement a scheme where people could honestly express concerns with the Party at a university. Once of course this was encouraged to be honest etc.. they were. As a result the Party higher ups did not like what the people had to say and thus the anti-rightest movement, where it was considered a crime if you supported that scheme. A scheme in which Mao himself implemented and planed...
They didn't like what they herd and they got pissed off and simply decided that those people were anti-communist without any thought of those persons welfare.

It's rather interesting, "People's" Republic of China. "People's", so long as those "People" are poor as shit and belong to the Mao cult...

As a result of the anti-rightest movement nobody dared question Mao's word which very likely was the key factor in the worst famine in human history not long after the anti-rightest movement. Though Mao's governments policies were mostly to blame too.

All in the name of "Communism" and the "Party".



My point is that your god Mao was a horrible person.

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