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27-03-2013, 08:20 AM
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(27-03-2013 08:01 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(27-03-2013 07:35 AM)Foxcanine1 Wrote:  I'm curious here. You say that Communism will be achieved when ( I'm paraphrasing here) the production of goods is greater then the needs. Do you think that automation is the only way or do you see an alternative( If I'm wrong in my understanding then please correct me). Also, if it will only work when you reach that production singularity so to speak, then why are you using it right now?

From primitive communism to helot-ism to feudalism to capitalism to national capitalism (a.k.a. socialism junior stage), we can clearly see that humankind as a whole have become better enlightened and civilized. History told us that communism can not be forced and requires much higher quality. I don't know what these requirements exactly are. I can only use what I now know to approximate them.

As for automation, it's already a unstoppable trend and that's why I am using it now. To reach communism, I think inter-galactic FTL travelling, AI capable of accomplishing what we now can do, and much advanced robotics are going to be among the pre-requisites.


"I think inter-galactic FTL travelling, AI capable of accomplishing what we now can do, and much advanced robotics are going to be among the pre-requisites."

A little broader than what I expected. I'm curious as to why FTL is needed.
Speaking of which.

FTL Travel.

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27-03-2013, 08:25 AM
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(27-03-2013 08:03 AM)Vera Wrote:  
(27-03-2013 07:37 AM)Foxcanine1 Wrote:  You my friend have got to see O Brother Where Art Thou!!! Missing out on important culture stuff here.

If I were you, I'd be careful how I threw words like this around. Drinking Beverage

I suspect a bit of touchiness in that post. I apologize if I was coming off as offensive. That was meant as a joke ( and obviously a bad one at that). If there's one person who needs a lot to learn about culture. It would be me.Confused

I would still suggest that movie though. It's a good one in my book.Smile

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27-03-2013, 08:40 AM
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(27-03-2013 08:14 AM)Phaedrus Wrote:  Is not a communist government simply a country run by a single corporation--the ultimate monopoly with the citizens as shareholders? It would seem to me the welfare of the people would depend solely on the altruism of the CEO and the board of directors; and if this corporation is run by the same type of sociopaths as run corporations in capitalist systems, well... And all this is made worse by the fact that this corporation also owns all the nation's weapons and controls its military, who will of course be taught loyalty to their commanders and their government above their loyalty to their countrymen.

Communism seems like it would take a funny sort of optimism.

After the fall of U.S.S.R and many other eastern European communist countries, we know that communism is like heaven, indeed takes huge amounts of optimism, who knows when it will arrive.

When comparing China's communism, OK, China's primary stage of socialism, alright, China's national capitalism to a monopoly corporation, please keep in mind that while a monopoly chairman of the board of directors has lawful support at his back, Chinese political leaders to a greater extent depend on those who support them. This is more of a story of bureaucracy evolution. It's more of a story of interest exchange and game. But sure enough, they will have to abide by the rules on the desktop, written laws and unwritten do's and don'ts.

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27-03-2013, 08:43 AM
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(27-03-2013 08:20 AM)Foxcanine1 Wrote:  "I think inter-galactic FTL travelling, AI capable of accomplishing what we now can do, and much advanced robotics are going to be among the pre-requisites."

A little broader than what I expected. I'm curious as to why FTL is needed.

Because of the scarcity of habitable planets for humans in this galaxy.

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27-03-2013, 09:02 AM
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(27-03-2013 08:25 AM)Foxcanine1 Wrote:  I suspect a bit of touchiness in that post. I apologize if I was coming off as offensive. That was meant as a joke ( and obviously a bad one at that). If there's one person who needs a lot to learn about culture. It would be me.Confused

Why do people assume that I'm some sort of delicate flower who gets her knickers in a twist at the slightest provocation? (Rhetorical question, no answer required from anyone, thank you very much Dodgy )

Is just that I'm quite certain we have different ideas of culture, which is only natural, if culture isn't subjective, I don't know what is. (For the record, not a Coen bros fan, myself.)

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27-03-2013, 09:13 AM
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You say China is a communist country yet this is a bit of stretch.
How do you feel about the 'rise of china' being a direct result of globalization aka trade in international markets aka capitalism.
It is safe to say that China would not have risen to its current day 'power' without capitalism.

Also, in true communism everyone is equal, everything is shared etc... Do you feel you are equal to the top dogs in your government? Is the lowly peasant in rural China equal to Mr Top Dog?
If not then how successful would you rate China's communism if it hasn't fulfilled what communism is?
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27-03-2013, 09:36 AM
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(27-03-2013 09:02 AM)Vera Wrote:  
(27-03-2013 08:25 AM)Foxcanine1 Wrote:  I suspect a bit of touchiness in that post. I apologize if I was coming off as offensive. That was meant as a joke ( and obviously a bad one at that). If there's one person who needs a lot to learn about culture. It would be me.Confused

Why do people assume that I'm some sort of delicate flower who gets her knickers in a twist at the slightest provocation? (Rhetorical question, no answer required from anyone, thank you very much Dodgy )

Is just that I'm quite certain we have different ideas of culture, which is only natural, if culture isn't subjective, I don't know what is. (For the record, not a Coen bros fan, myself.)

Hell I'm going to.

I made a sarcastic remark on culture which you took issue with. So, seeing as how I might of offended you, I apologized. I also said that if there is anyone who has things to learn ( speaking between the two of us) it's me. You've been to other places around the world where as I haven't ( yet). You've experienced other cultures. What I've experienced is basically my back yard and the neighborhood down the street ( United states and Mexico). So it had nothing to do with you being " a delicate little flower" and everything to do with the fact that when one person offends another then it is socially and morally acceptable to apologize for that offense in my opinion.

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27-03-2013, 09:38 AM
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(27-03-2013 09:13 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  You say China is a communist country yet this is a bit of stretch.
How do you feel about the 'rise of china' being a direct result of globalization aka trade in international markets aka capitalism.
It is safe to say that China would not have risen to its current day 'power' without capitalism.

Also, in true communism everyone is equal, everything is shared etc... Do you feel you are equal to the top dogs in your government? Is the lowly peasant in rural China equal to Mr Top Dog?
If not then how successful would you rate China's communism if it hasn't fulfilled what communism is?

If you read some of my previous posts in this thread, you will find that I think China now practices national capitalism. And this will resolve all your bit of stretch.

And yes there's any growing huge gap between top tier bureaucrats, elites, wealthy business owners, and the bottom tier working class who save every cent they have in case of major disease or dreaming of acquiring a small apartment of their own. Looks pretty realistic and gloomy?

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27-03-2013, 09:52 AM (This post was last modified: 27-03-2013 10:43 AM by Vera.)
RE: Ask a (GASP) COMMUNIST ! ! !
(27-03-2013 09:36 AM)Foxcanine1 Wrote:  I made a sarcastic remark on culture which you took issue with. So, seeing as how I might of offended you, I apologized. So it had nothing to do with you being " a delicate little flower" and everything to do with the fact that when one person offends another then it is socially and morally acceptable to apologize for that offense in my opinion.
Relax, cub, I was never offended in the first place. [Image: LaieA_036.gif]

On a more serious note, with the wonders of the Internet, you don't necessarily need to travel in order to learn new things and perspectives. But travelling is better and more fun Thumbsup

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27-03-2013, 10:05 AM
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(27-03-2013 09:52 AM)Vera Wrote:  
(27-03-2013 09:36 AM)Foxcanine1 Wrote:  I made a sarcastic remark on culture which you took issue with. So, seeing as how I might of offended you, I apologized. So it had nothing to do with you being " a delicate little flower" and everything to do with the fact that when one person offends another then it is socially and morally acceptable to apologize for that offense in my opinion.
Relax, cub, I was never offended in the first place. [Image: LaieA_036.gif]

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On a more serious note, with the wonders of the Internet, you don't necessarily need to travel in order to learn new things and perspectives. But travelling is better and more fun Thumbsup

The one thing that I hate about the internet though is that you miss half the conversation. What is it they say, body language makes up half of communication ( don't quote me on that). So most of the time your left with only part of a message.

Anyway, at the risk of derailing this thread of our ambassador of China here I'm going to shut up.Tongue

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