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03-08-2013, 02:24 AM
RE: Ask a (GASP) CHINESE COMMUNIST ! ! !
Lol.
It's funny because he doesn't believe there's poverty in China...

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03-08-2013, 02:48 AM
RE: Ask a (GASP) CHINESE COMMUNIST ! ! !
(03-08-2013 02:24 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Lol.
It's funny because he doesn't believe there's poverty in China...

Define "poverty".

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03-08-2013, 02:59 AM (This post was last modified: 03-08-2013 03:07 AM by Logica Humano.)
RE: Ask a (GASP) CHINESE COMMUNIST ! ! !
(02-08-2013 10:44 PM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(27-07-2013 02:06 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  So with both issues, can you explain why there is such rampant poverty in both urban and rural areas? The average person still does not feel the massive wealth in China. Your wealth inequality is even worse than the U.S'.

I don't think I need to explain that, do I?

If you are still interested, after you have shown some data to support your question-ish arguments, I will tell you whether or not I agree and why.

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As of 2012, 51% of China's population lived in urban areas. That means 49% live with extremely poor conditions in rural areas.

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03-08-2013, 03:01 AM
RE: Ask a (GASP) CHINESE COMMUNIST ! ! !
(03-08-2013 02:48 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(03-08-2013 02:24 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Lol.
It's funny because he doesn't believe there's poverty in China...

Define "poverty".

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03-08-2013, 03:06 AM
RE: Ask a (GASP) CHINESE COMMUNIST ! ! !
(03-08-2013 03:01 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(03-08-2013 02:48 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Define "poverty".

Dodgy

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Yup. So why is that any different to any other place in the world?

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03-08-2013, 03:10 AM
RE: Ask a (GASP) CHINESE COMMUNIST ! ! !
(03-08-2013 03:06 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(03-08-2013 03:01 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  [Image: 2004-11-18-china_poverty.jpg]

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Yup. So why is that any different to any other place in the world?

I never said it was...

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09-08-2013, 05:29 AM (This post was last modified: 09-08-2013 05:34 AM by HU.Junyuan.)
RE: Ask a (GASP) CHINESE COMMUNIST ! ! !
(03-08-2013 02:59 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Your questions/arguments and their grounds(MY COMPREHENSIONS ADDED):

[1]So with both issues, can you explain why there is such rampant poverty in both urban and rural areas? As of 2012, 51% of China's population lived in urban areas. That means 49% live with extremely poor conditions in rural areas.

[2]The average person still does not feel the massive wealth in China.

[3]Your wealth inequality is even worse than the U.S'.

Fig.1 Disposable income (My comprehension: mostly low and extremely unequal)

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Fig.2 Income levels (My comprehension: extremely unequal and that the government's statistical data is fundamentally flawed)

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Fig.3 Next generation (My comprehension: inequality aggravated in the next generation)

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Fig.4 Gap between the rural and the cities (My comprehension: gap is huge and getting hugier)

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I think you should have set persuasive standards for the degree of poverty and inequality. And you lack data for comparison to give us the sense of how poor and how unequal it is. And the U.S.' GDP just jumped up 3.6%, so we know what governmental data is ... (yet the reputation of private appraisal firms shouldn't be taken for granted without sound grounds of support.)

Anyway, I agree with the existence of fact that there is poverty and serious inequality in China.

I've seen extremely poor people in the rural area and in the cities. I've seen a lot of people who haggle with every cent because they are very far from being well off and they don't think far into the future which normally isn't a bright one. And I've seen and heard of people, lots of them, with stunning great fortune, and they call for more political power and freedom to maintain their wealth.

What I think about this poverty and inequality issue, you asked me.

My answer is that this is simply typical capitalism.

Fig.1 has a funny title "Ah, communism". When you look at charts by the same statistical caliber of the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s, when China is more "communist" (which China actually has always been terribly far from), you will find that people probably are poor (need standards), but the inequality is definitely much smaller.

And that's exactly what the Reform and Opening-up of China is about: loosening the chains of the capital, letting the inequality expand, letting a certain part of the people become rich, letting the rich help and assist the poor. Well, except the last part, the Reform and Opening-up of China seems to have been very successful.

And to those who have become rich, they probably would consider this increase in inequality as an improvement.

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09-08-2013, 07:02 AM
RE: Ask a (GASP) CHINESE COMMUNIST ! ! !
(09-08-2013 05:29 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  I think you should have set persuasive standards for the degree of poverty and inequality. And you lack data for comparison to give us the sense of how poor and how unequal it is. And the U.S.' GDP just jumped up 3.6%, so we know what governmental data is ... (yet the reputation of private appraisal firms shouldn't be taken for granted without sound grounds of support.)

Compared to the inequality in the majority of socialist states, like Sweden (found below), China has disgusting wealth inequality.

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Even the United States isn't comparable, since the average annual salary in the U.S is nearly thirty times that of the average Chinese annual salary. I find the U.S' wealth inequality to be a disgrace, so how should I feel about China's?

(09-08-2013 05:29 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  Anyway, I agree with the existence of fact that there is poverty and serious inequality in China.

Excellent.

(09-08-2013 05:29 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  I've seen extremely poor people in the rural area and in the cities. I've seen a lot of people who haggle with every cent because they are very far from being well off and they don't think far into the future which normally isn't a bright one. And I've seen and heard of people, lots of them, with stunning great fortune, and they call for more political power and freedom to maintain their wealth.

What do you think should be done to create a smooth transition into wealth?

(09-08-2013 05:29 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  What I think about this poverty and inequality issue, you asked me.

Yes?

(09-08-2013 05:29 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  My answer is that this is simply typical capitalism.

It is unrestrained capitalism. Communism relies on a centralized economic system, which has failed numerous times. The reason China has made a transition into a more capitalistic system is because it is the only one that encourages growth. Would you agree that the ideal economic system is a mixed one?

(09-08-2013 05:29 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  Fig.1 has a funny title "Ah, communism". When you look at charts by the same statistical caliber of the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s, when China is more "communist" (which China actually has always been terribly far from), you will find that people probably are poor (need standards), but the inequality is definitely much smaller.

China still pridefully defines themselves as a communist state, so of course we get to laugh at your government's inaccurate portrayal.

(09-08-2013 05:29 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  And that's exactly what the Reform and Opening-up of China is about: loosening the chains of the capital, letting the inequality expand, letting a certain part of the people become rich, letting the rich help and assist the poor. Well, except the last part, the Reform and Opening-up of China seems to have been very successful.

The inequality is still rampant and grossly underestimated. Your government is reluctant to increase wages because it would drive away business.

(09-08-2013 05:29 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  And to those who have become rich, they probably would consider this increase in inequality as an improvement.

It is not.

(09-08-2013 05:29 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  Wish you have a wonderful weekend.

You too.

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09-08-2013, 07:07 AM
RE: Ask a (GASP) CHINESE COMMUNIST ! ! !
LMAO!

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09-08-2013, 07:08 AM
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This is beyond a joke, seriously can this shit be unstickied now please?

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