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28-03-2013, 01:43 AM
RE: Ask a (GASP) COMMUNIST ! ! !
(27-03-2013 10:47 PM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(27-03-2013 08:20 AM)Foxcanine1 Wrote:  FTL Travel.

They have already improved since they stick to Death Star Program no more.

I'm sorry, that last comment didn't completely make sense.

I got the part about already improving but the reference to the death star went over my head.

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28-03-2013, 01:45 AM
RE: Ask a (GASP) COMMUNIST ! ! !
(28-03-2013 01:43 AM)Foxcanine1 Wrote:  
(27-03-2013 10:47 PM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  They have already improved since they stick to Death Star Program no more.

I'm sorry, that last comment didn't completely make sense.

I got the part about already improving but the reference to the death star went over my head.

Huh? my entire post didn't post. I was going to say that I think you might be reference Star Wars when you thought you were referencing Star Trek with the Death Star. I am tired though so that may be the culprit to my lack of understanding.

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28-03-2013, 01:49 AM (This post was last modified: 28-03-2013 03:23 AM by HU.Junyuan.)
RE: Ask a (GASP) COMMUNIST ! ! !
(28-03-2013 12:27 AM)DLJ Wrote:  But "enlighten and educate" has a sinister undertone.

Change it to whatever you see fit.

But these two word used to be so positively meaningful. Nowadays the word "public intellectual" also bears sinister undertone in China.

What a tragic comedy.

(28-03-2013 12:27 AM)DLJ Wrote:  I asked her about the purges that had enlightened and re-educated people until they complied or died and she had no knowledge of this period of history.

Intriguing, huh?
Maybe it is too painful to share if she is not willing to.

Due to natural disaster, unwanted man-made calamity, and food scarcity in the metropolis, my mother had to go to the countryside, lived and worked as peasants did. She said she was indeed re-educated. She said she became strong and optimistic.

Thanks to such natural and man-made disaster accompanying the Chinese people for more than 5000 years, we are now proud to announce that we have survive all these calamities and are now rising again.


(28-03-2013 12:27 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Why don't Chinese people queue?

Yes, We DO queue.

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And we queue MASSIVELY.

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(28-03-2013 12:27 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Also, spitting in public. To a westerner, this is one of the most disgusting things imaginable but quite normal for easterners.

I heard it had something to do with a spit-god i.e. the need to cough out evil spirits. Can you confirm?

Never heard of any spit-god. Don't know anything about coughing out evil spirits. But we do have a tradition by saying 呸 (PEI, sounds like "pooh") when we object strongly.

As modern civilians, Chinese people certainly treat spitting in public as very bad person habits and a cause of many diseases. Spitting in private is also not civilized unless done appropriately.

We Chinese people have a very long history of keeping good personal and public hygiene.

Forgive me if it sounds offensive, I really don't mean it. But while Chinese first used toilet (not flush toilet) more than 2300 years ago (a painted wooden relic was found and identified), Medieval Western metropolis streets were cover with defecation which was considered as common, as people refused to wash themselves and invented perfume to cover bad smells.

Personal hygiene is really personal. It's nothing cultural.

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28-03-2013, 02:01 AM (This post was last modified: 28-03-2013 02:16 AM by HU.Junyuan.)
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(28-03-2013 01:45 AM)Foxcanine1 Wrote:  Huh? my entire post didn't post. I was going to say that I think you might be reference Star Wars when you thought you were referencing Star Trek with the Death Star. I am tired though so that may be the culprit to my lack of understanding.

Nope. I was trying to make some fun, but I wasn't paying attention to staying in context.

Washington officials were really smart when they said NO to Death Star Petition. Death Star is really fundamentally flawed.

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28-03-2013, 03:42 AM
RE: Ask a (GASP) COMMUNIST ! ! !
(28-03-2013 02:01 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(28-03-2013 01:45 AM)Foxcanine1 Wrote:  Huh? my entire post didn't post. I was going to say that I think you might be reference Star Wars when you thought you were referencing Star Trek with the Death Star. I am tired though so that may be the culprit to my lack of understanding.

Nope. I was trying to make some fun, but I wasn't paying attention to staying in context.

Washington officials were really smart when they said NO to Death Star Petition. Death Star is really fundamentally flawed.

That was one of the down-sides to having complete freedom of speech and ideas, although a humorus one. One of the hardest things for people living under censorship to understand is the total lack of it in the few western cultures that have it (The US in particular) The upside is a free exchange of ideas and the creativity that inspires the downside is when a large group gets a flawed idea rolling regardless of its merits. The true test of freedom of speech however is in unpopular speech. I'll cite an example that vexes most of us on these boards. The Westboro Baptist church is for all intents and purposes a hate group however the ACLU (american civil liberties union) has gone to court on their behaff to insure that even though what they say is vile evil hatefilled propoganda their right to say it was not infringed.

In the US this freedom is taken for granted and we have an almost imnpossible time understanding how people that live in area's of the world that do not have that freedom are able to live under it without constantly chaffing at the yolk of opression.

As a side question, Junyuan, have you ever experinced personal censorship or do you not have a problem with such?

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28-03-2013, 04:01 AM
RE: Ask a (GASP) COMMUNIST ! ! !
(27-03-2013 09:45 PM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(27-03-2013 12:19 PM)Chas Wrote:  You do realize that you are Communist in name only. China does not practice Communism.

Hmm...By Communism Definition Version 1848 (International Edition), you can say that what I believe and what China now practice is quite different.

The Chinese Communist Party in 1987 already publicly acknowledged that China was in the primary stage of socialism, which by definition is far from communism.

Yet many of the CCP members, including me, still are rooted in Marxist Dialectical Materialism, believing that capitalism is deeply flawed fundamentally which will be its own grave digger definitely but perhaps in maybe a thousand years, that after many many many ... many many many years a bright future called communism for humankind will ultimately be realized.

But we also realized that failed practices include simply nationalizing private properties, simply equalizing distribution standard, simply forcing people to live by a man-made high moral standard etc. As the Chief Architect of China's Reform and Opening up, former General Secretary of the CCP, Mr. DENG Xiaoping said, we are now cross a river, and we still need to be sure about the stones at the bottom.

Yes, you can say that I am a communist in name only. But by Communism Definition Version 2013 (Chinese Edition), I am still a standard junior communist, I think.

And you really are terse and deadly, and so you are told.


The "primary stage of socialism" is hardly distinguishable from capitalism.
And it's a very uncontrolled, dangerous form of capitalism that poisons people and despoils the environment.

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28-03-2013, 06:19 AM
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What is the first thing to pop into your head when I say "Taiwan"?
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28-03-2013, 07:30 AM (This post was last modified: 28-03-2013 07:50 AM by HU.Junyuan.)
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(28-03-2013 03:42 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  That was one of the down-sides to having complete freedom of speech and ideas, although a humorus one. One of the hardest things for people living under censorship to understand is the total lack of it in the few western cultures that have it (The US in particular) The upside is a free exchange of ideas and the creativity that inspires the downside is when a large group gets a flawed idea rolling regardless of its merits. The true test of freedom of speech however is in unpopular speech. I'll cite an example that vexes most of us on these boards. The Westboro Baptist church is for all intents and purposes a hate group however the ACLU (american civil liberties union) has gone to court on their behaff to insure that even though what they say is vile evil hatefilled propoganda their right to say it was not infringed.

In the US this freedom is taken for granted and we have an almost imnpossible time understanding how people that live in area's of the world that do not have that freedom are able to live under it without constantly chaffing at the yolk of opression.

As a side question, Junyuan, have you ever experinced personal censorship or do you not have a problem with such?

Quite some netizens that I know and I think that in many aspects we Chinese people enjoy more speech freedom than US people.

Surprised?

Here is an example.

LUO Yufeng, a former sales girl, a self-claimed opinion leader and the subject of public media occasionally, went to the U.S. in 2010, saying that she finally arrived in her dreamland and had no intention of returning to her motherland at all. At the end of 2011, something went wrong and she became angry and posted a Weibo (Chinese version of Twitter) entry, saying that "I want to burn the US Citizenship and Immigration Services." She was then warned by U.S. authorities for making terrorist threats.

When Chinese netizens know this, what do we think? We all think she deserved it ! Why did she do that? Because she was too indulged by the speech freedom she enjoyed when she was in China, which she took for granted.

This makes me cherish my speech freedom. And I can't agree with you more on the subject of the speech freedom being taken for granted and abused.

Censorship? All my life it never happened a single time to me.

P.S. Personal advice, don't search the name LUO Yufeng in image search engines. If you do so, you will know that I said this for a good reason.

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28-03-2013, 07:40 AM
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(28-03-2013 04:01 AM)Chas Wrote:  The "primary stage of socialism" is hardly distinguishable from capitalism.
And it's a very uncontrolled, dangerous form of capitalism that poisons people and despoils the environment.

Thanks for the warning.

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28-03-2013, 07:41 AM
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(28-03-2013 06:19 AM)Phaedrus Wrote:  What is the first thing to pop into your head when I say "Taiwan"?

A traveler far away from home.

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