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08-11-2013, 11:21 AM
RE: Ask a Mormon
Hey Dark Phoenix.
I'm ex mormon. I'm uk guy and was saved when I was 'golden' lol. I was technically agnostic at the time but joined LDS in a genuine quest to answer some of the God questions that I had for myself. Well apparently iwas touched with a thirst for knowledge by our heavenly father and was given the responsibility of branch clerk. I left soon after as the more I learnt the more I felt like a hypocrite. I have mormonism to thank for turning my agnosticism in to flat out atheism. Great thread mate, the doctrinal stuff takes me down memory lane! Smile

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10-11-2013, 11:34 PM
RE: Ask a Mormon
(08-11-2013 10:37 AM)Dark Phoenix Wrote:  
(06-11-2013 09:42 PM)freetoreason Wrote:  To do what, reduce the insanity to only the level of Christianity?

I see where you are going with that point, freetoreason, but it wasn't where I was originally intending to take that thought. How am I to say which of several wacky religions is the wackier?

My original quote is as follows.

(06-11-2013 09:42 PM)Dark Phoenix Wrote:  I have high hopes for Mormonism to evolve right out of its own precepts...

My original point was that Mormonism is a changing religion, and they are on a path towards evolving right out of some of their most basic principles. Women's rights, Civil rights, Gay rights, etc... are all having a profound effect on how they view people, even though they claim to have had God's will regarding their congregation all along. Secular society is wearing the church down, and changing if for the better.

That's encouraging, but perhaps cause for concern at the same time. With the advertising effort to position Mormonism as mainstream Christianity, I wonder how much of the relaxation of dogma is a true shift in belief and how much is clever marketing. I worry about the church gaining greater political power as it assimilates. Call me paranoid, but I get the sense that the leadership has this Muslim-like waiting in the weeds strategy.

I'll be more encouraged when I see Mormon girls with aspirations for careers instead of heading off to BYU to find a husband, Mormon women working outside the home, Mormon youth being allowed to form close relationships with kids of other faiths, and interfaith marriages. I hope you are right, because having lived among Mormons, the level of indoctrination and conservative politics makes evangelicals look like liberal free thinkers.
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14-01-2014, 08:27 PM (This post was last modified: 14-01-2014 10:03 PM by Dark Phoenix.)
12 Reasons You Should Reject Mormonism
1. You will be openly encouraged to avoid and reject those who do not hold identical or even similar values to yours. You will be taught to judge and demonize those who engage in any religiously forbidden practice, such as drinking or smoking.

2. You will be encouraged to replace your previous friends, neighbors, etc.. with Mormon versions. Family members not of your faith are now not to be considered as trustworthy or good as the average member. You will be taught to distrust reading material, media, or any other possible source of information, if it conflicts with the church in any way.

3. Your time will be endlessly taken up engaged in church activities of all kinds, even to the point of utter exhaustion. No day will pass without a church related responsibility or demand. Your family will join you in this conscription, even when your children are very small.

4. You will never be "worthy" or "good enough" in any genuine sense. You will always be striving for some church related privilege, while simultaneously suffering punishment for your supposed "unworthiness". You will experience the exhaustion and misery of being an emotional "hamster on the wheel".

5. You will never have any privacy, even in your own mind. The church demands that you confess any and all "sins" verbally to your local bishop. These crimes include thought crimes, such as thinking "impure" sexual thoughts.

6. You will never think for yourself again. Any and all issues can be resolved by consulting the church. They will provide you with what you are "supposed" to believe whenever you happen to need that information. The church is always a higher priority than you are.

7. You will pay 10% of all the money you make for the rest of your life, or you will not be considered "worthy" before god. You will be punished and your membership and participation will be restricted until you pay up. You have no authority to claim that this is unreasonable, since you would be rebelling against "Almighty God".

8. You will surrender your right to be sexual being. You will be demonized and shamed as a perverse and disgusting creature for your innate sexual desires. You will be simultaneously told that sex is wonderful and godly, making your natural desire to profane it all the worse. You will be surrendering the ability to decide what goes on in your bedroom, literally. Any and all sexual practices other than heterosexual vaginal intercourse are considered immoral and are forbidden. You will surrender your freedom to have sex at all if you are unmarried, including masturbation. Use of pornography is forbidden and will be considered an addiction, regardless of how often you use it. You will never be entirely free of the stigma within the church if you are caught viewing it.

9. You will be required to give testimony of the principles of the church, before you have tested them or even learned all of them. You will become comfortable with the idea that the church owes you nothing, and will only give you all the doctrine on a provisional basis. Your "worthiness" and hard work earn you the right to actually learn the doctrine you have already been required to embrace. You will sign on a dotted line without being told everything up front.

10. You will be taught an openly censored version of the history of Mormonism. Some information will be changed, erased, or entirely omitted. If you discover these tampered parts of the history on your own, you will be openly stonewalled and even punished severely for trying to do anything with that information. Your membership and associated benefits are only available to you if you remain in line at all times.

11. You will be required to indoctrinate your children from the absolute earliest moments of their lives. Even as young as under a year they will be taught in "Nursery", a church program designed to use food and cartoons to teach them Mormon doctrine. I do NOT exaggerate in any way when I say that mere infants attend these meetings, without their parent's supervision, since they are required to attend other classes elsewhere. They do so until they gain enough speech ability to go to another class. They will attend this program for an hour every Sunday, every single week. That is only the beginning. They will not have a chance to choose their own values, not until adulthood has set in, and their entire life is made up of Mormon experience.

12. If you are a woman, you will be treated as unequal and less important than a man. You will be denied possession of priesthood authority. You will be unable to fill the majority of church positions. You will be given standards of dress that the Amish would most surely approve of. You will be taught that your body is a temptation for men, and it is your responsibility to keep them strong by covering it up, and dulling your own sexual nature. You will be taught that your main, and ideally only, purpose is to bear and raise children "in the faith". Motherhood is given practically holy status congruent with that of the famous "Virgin Mary". Young women are discouraged from seeking out an education or career. Instead, they are encouraged to marry and have children while still very young. Even when on occasion, women are encouraged to achieve an education, it is openly stated that this should only be a "back up plan" in case her husband is made unable to work at some point in the future. Your importance as a woman in the church is expressed only in terms of "support" for your husband, along with the church in general. Your diminished position will not ever be reconsidered, not even if you have no husband to represent you or provide priesthood authority in your home. Let single mother's beware, the only thing Mormonism has to offer them is more work to do, and 10% less income for them and their children.

Basically, slam your door when the Mormons come calling. Don't listen for even a moment.

Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness.

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14-01-2014, 08:56 PM
RE: Ask a Mormon
(20-10-2013 01:54 PM)Dark Phoenix Wrote:  "Kolob" is the name of the planet that Mormons believe god lives on. It is the location from which he governs earth. We all originate from Kolob, and do not remember our former lives with god because of what they call a "veil" which obscures are memory, lest our earthly test become too easy.

Kolob is not a planet. It is a star.
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14-01-2014, 09:04 PM
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(14-01-2014 08:56 PM)Alla Wrote:  Kolob is not a planet. It is a star.

I was taught it was a planet, but to be honest, this isn't the first time I have talked to a member who was taught something different than I was, even though we both were members of the same church.

(14-01-2014 08:56 PM)Alla Wrote:  Hi, I am LDS. I am a convert.

Are you still a practicing member? Are you active in the church?

Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness.

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14-01-2014, 09:17 PM
RE: Ask a Mormon
(14-01-2014 09:04 PM)Dark Phoenix Wrote:  I was taught it was a planet, but to be honest, this isn't the first time I have talked to a member who was taught something different than I was, even though we both were members of the same church.
By whom? All you need to do is to read Book of Abraham.

(14-01-2014 09:04 PM)Dark Phoenix Wrote:  Are you still a practicing member? Are you active in the church?
Yes and yes.
I didn't read all your posts. I read only first page. So, what happened to you, brother?

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14-01-2014, 10:01 PM
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(14-01-2014 09:17 PM)Alla Wrote:  By whom? All you need to do is to read Book of Abraham.

Star or planet, does it seem any more plausible either way?

(14-01-2014 09:17 PM)Alla Wrote:  I didn't read all your posts. I read only first page. So, what happened to you, brother?

What part of my story interest's you? Do you have a more specific question?

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14-01-2014, 10:12 PM
RE: Ask a Mormon
(14-01-2014 10:01 PM)Dark Phoenix Wrote:  Star or planet, does it seem any more plausible either way?
I just reminded you Scripture. that is all.Smile
Concerning the Doctrine: in our Church we follow what Prophets of God teach not the members.
(14-01-2014 10:01 PM)Dark Phoenix Wrote:  What part of my story interest's you? Do you have a more specific question?
No, not really. Let me think.
How long have you been a member of the Church?
Are you active?

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14-01-2014, 10:22 PM
RE: Ask a Mormon
(14-01-2014 10:12 PM)Alla Wrote:  Concerning the Doctrine: in our Church we follow what Prophets of God teach not the members.

Do you always agree with what the prophets say?

(14-01-2014 10:12 PM)Alla Wrote:  How long have you been a member of the Church?

I was raised a member. I formally renounced my faith, and admitted my Atheism a month or so after turning twenty years old.

(14-01-2014 10:12 PM)Alla Wrote:  Are you active?

No.

Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness.

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14-01-2014, 10:24 PM
RE: Ask a Mormon
A question of my own, what brought you here? I never expected to encounter an active Mormon here on TheThinkingAtheist. Why join this forum?

Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness.

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