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27-09-2012, 02:14 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(27-09-2012 02:09 PM)morondog Wrote:  Rolleyes Merkins.

Do you not think that your experience is maybe down to the fact that your highly evolved simian brain has a propensity for irrational belief, which as you yourself prove, is not impediment to reproduction and therefore may be widespread in the gene pool.

Sure.

It's possible.

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27-09-2012, 02:14 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(27-09-2012 02:09 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(27-09-2012 10:11 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  I have beat this horse to death.

What I said in this thread.

Evidence for me being elect:

Growing up, I was always embarrassed of Christianity and whenever my parents talked about Jesus. I thought church was silly, and I found the stories nothing more than fantasy.

I finally accepted agnosticism in college as my official belief, and I began to rip Christianity apart with the use of logic and rationality. I would combat Christians on the Internet via forums and use the aforementioned tactics against them to make them look like fools. I was good at it.

Driving home from work one day, my life changed. My heart was opened to a higher power; even though I didn't know whom. I'll try my best to explain this: I found myself suddenly and sincerely praying and listening to this higher power for guidance. This was wholly strange to me because up until that moment I didn't believe in a God that I could talk to.

My beliefs so drastically changed than I began to get angry with myself. I didn't understand how I could rationally accept that there was a higher power that I could converse with. It wasn't logical. Also, I never wanted to talk to a higher power, and I didn't understand how I was doing it if I didn't choose to. My knowledge of religion pre-empted the idea that I had to choose it.

The higher power led me to read and study the Bible. This was the first time that I’ve ever actually done it. It was at this time that I realized that the higher power I was talking to was the Christian God; however, I still didn’t understand why I didn’t get a choice. As my studying intensified, I began to learn about election. And then, it made sense. I realized that then reason I didn’t have a choice is because I was never planned to have a choice.

I knew that I was elect because I learned that those who are elect can hear the will of God and those that aren’t cannot even understand it.

So, that’s my evidence. I guess the most concrete part of it is the fact that my beliefs radically changed and became cemented by no choice of my own.

Wait, what? That is the entire reason you changed your philosophical position? I have experienced that same thing, several times since deconverting. I find myself talking with God all the time, though I don't take it as a sign. I know it as a habit, a subconscious coping mechanism, a hallucination. There are things much more logical, probable, and reasonable than some divine undetectable divine power contacting me. I would say to you, "Grow up," but you are older than I am.

I was expecting something far more powerful than that. Jesus fucking titty Christ, KC. You disappoint me.

Sorry to disappoint.

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27-09-2012, 02:15 PM (This post was last modified: 27-09-2012 02:18 PM by Logica Humano.)
RE: Ask a Theist!
(27-09-2012 02:14 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(27-09-2012 02:09 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Wait, what? That is the entire reason you changed your philosophical position? I have experienced that same thing, several times since deconverting. I find myself talking with God all the time, though I don't take it as a sign. I know it as a habit, a subconscious coping mechanism, a hallucination. There are things much more logical, probable, and reasonable than some divine undetectable divine power contacting me. I would say to you, "Grow up," but you are older than I am.

I was expecting something far more powerful than that. Jesus fucking titty Christ, KC. You disappoint me.

Sorry to disappoint.

Don't feel sorry for disappointing me. Feel sorry when you die and you realize your illogic dictated that every man, woman, and child who isn't like you is condemned to an eternal hell, and that you lived by this theology with no evidence whatsoever. A waste of a brilliant mind.

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27-09-2012, 02:18 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(27-09-2012 02:14 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  Sure.

It's possible.

Probable maybe ? I mean. You're so *certain*... How can you be certain if you haven't eliminated this possibility?






sorry for pushing...
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27-09-2012, 02:27 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(27-09-2012 02:18 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(27-09-2012 02:14 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  Sure.

It's possible.

Probable maybe ? I mean. You're so *certain*... How can you be certain if you haven't eliminated this possibility?






sorry for pushing...

Because I'm not gnostic.

I can't be certain of anything.

That is just a lower probability.

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27-09-2012, 02:33 PM
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But how do you evaluate the probability as low?

I need to think about this more...
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27-09-2012, 02:42 PM
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(27-09-2012 02:33 PM)morondog Wrote:  But how do you evaluate the probability as low?

I need to think about this more...

As evidence that is evaluated by my personal experiences.

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28-09-2012, 07:14 AM (This post was last modified: 28-09-2012 01:03 PM by Logica Humano.)
RE: Ask a Theist!
(27-09-2012 02:42 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(27-09-2012 02:33 PM)morondog Wrote:  But how do you evaluate the probability as low?

I need to think about this more...

As evidence that is evaluated by my personal experiences.

Interesting how your scrutiny is more prevalent when it pertains to others' personal experiences, but you don't maintain the same scrutiny for yours. If you saw a chair floating in the air, what would be your first assumption as to what causes it?

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28-09-2012, 09:28 AM
RE: Ask a Theist!
Floaty chair syndrome. Some guy much cleverer than me described it in a science book so it is well within the knowledge of man and requires no supernatural explanation Tongue

Actually, I'd assume
a. practical joke
b. bad drugs
c. unknown physical cause

in that order. C is a bit hard to eliminate since it would involve knowing every possible physical way in which a chair could end up floating in mid air.

But I'd have to have at least checked very carefully that at least all *known* possible physical causes that I could think of were accounted for before even for a second entertaining the suspicion that there was anything supernatural going on. And even then, I'd first consider d: radical new discovery of physical process before any such thing as woo.

Note that if the woo is down to God he could save me a lot of time and effort by manifesting and proving that at least he's the same douche described in the Bible. Floaty chairs don't cut it.
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28-09-2012, 01:01 PM
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How come your god sends gay boys like me to Hell but is chill when it comes to slavery?

"There is a circle here that links us to one another: we each want to be happy; the social feeling of love is one of our greatest sources of happiness; and love entails that we be concerned for the happiness of others. We discover that we can be selfish together."
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