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11-10-2012, 10:50 AM
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(11-10-2012 10:48 AM)cheapthrillseaker Wrote:  KC, how do you handle the pigeon hole of the limited number of Elect, and how many Calvanists there actually are in the world, let alone how many who are already dead?

Sorry. I don't understand the question.

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11-10-2012, 11:10 AM
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(11-10-2012 10:50 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(11-10-2012 10:48 AM)cheapthrillseaker Wrote:  KC, how do you handle the pigeon hole of the limited number of Elect, and how many Calvanists there actually are in the world, let alone how many who are already dead?

Sorry. I don't understand the question.

Three questions by my counting.

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11-10-2012, 12:39 PM
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There is a limited ammount of Elect - 144000 if my JW maths are correct.

There are millions of Calvanists.

I faced this issue with JW's, but these were self-identified Elect, and no records were held.

I'm just wondering what type of apologetics are used to explain it.

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11-10-2012, 12:52 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(11-10-2012 12:39 PM)cheapthrillseaker Wrote:  There is a limited ammount of Elect - 144000 if my JW maths are correct.

There are millions of Calvanists.

I faced this issue with JW's, but these were self-identified Elect, and no records were held.

I'm just wondering what type of apologetics are used to explain it.

It depends on the eschatology; however, even a literal interpretation doesn't mean that the 144K are the only elect. In the literal interpretation, the 144K are Jews that are chosen by God during the end times. This isn't an "all time" number as it just represents the Jews (specifically) and the time period (tribulation - specifically).

I don't interpret Revelation literally. I view it as Jewish numerology and apocalyptic language.

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11-10-2012, 01:01 PM
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(11-10-2012 11:10 AM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  
(11-10-2012 10:50 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Sorry. I don't understand the question.

Three questions by my counting.

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11-10-2012, 01:18 PM
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(11-10-2012 10:42 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  I weigh in terms of logic, rationale, and theology.

If you measured in terms of rationality and logic, you would not be a theist.

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11-10-2012, 01:29 PM
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(11-10-2012 10:42 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  I weigh in terms of logic, rationale, and theology.

Religions are not based on facts or logic, you surely are having a hard time trying to mix religion and logic

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11-10-2012, 01:32 PM
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(11-10-2012 01:18 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(11-10-2012 10:42 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  I weigh in terms of logic, rationale, and theology.

If you measured in terms of rationality and logic, you would not be a theist.

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11-10-2012, 01:34 PM
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(11-10-2012 01:32 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(11-10-2012 01:18 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  If you measured in terms of rationality and logic, you would not be a theist.

no

Chuck testa?

In all seriousness, religion is not logical or rational. Your convictions are based on anecdotal evidence, and even if it was personal, it does not measure up to the logical, skeptical, rational methods of fact checking. You make a specific conviction about the natural and supernatural, bearing no evidence. This is not logical and is anything but.

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11-10-2012, 01:35 PM
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(11-10-2012 01:29 PM)SomeOne Wrote:  
(11-10-2012 10:42 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  I weigh in terms of logic, rationale, and theology.

Religions are not based on facts or logic, you surely are having a hard time trying to mix religion and logic

Not so much.

In the simplest form, I'm not gnostic aka not omniscient; therefore, logically speaking, I don't know if something exists or doesn't exist.

The difference lies in which road to explanations I am led to believe.

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