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21-11-2012, 11:58 AM
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(21-11-2012 11:52 AM)Rum Wrote:  And which current bible as there are many versions though they are all pretty much just translations of those original works.
We have yet to find any "original works" of the Bible.

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21-11-2012, 12:05 PM
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(21-11-2012 11:52 AM)Rum Wrote:  There are far to many contradictions for it to be inspired kingchosen how do you reconcile the bible stating two different facts which should you take to be true ?

Show me these contradictions.

Quote:And which current bible as there are many versions though they are all pretty much just translations of those original works.

The most accurate modern translations of the Bible are the New American Standard (NASB), Young's Literal (YLT), and Darby's (DNT).

Quote:It is one of those cases where disproving the bible doesn't disprove God but trying to reconcile what information is still valid in a book that is obviously not the complete truth that Christians are taught is difficult, even considering that if you accept that it has been altered then how is anyone to know what is altered and what is still true.

No and yes. Disproving the Bible doesn't disprove God. God's instructions for His believers change over time. There was a different set of instructions for the Jews, for the early church, and for the Church Age (us). God uses inspired text to instruct these groups. God is using the current Bible to instruct us; but, older groups were instructed by other inspired texts.

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21-11-2012, 12:15 PM
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KC,

When was the last time a book or scripture was added to the christian bible? why we havent seen any new "scripture" inspired by god and added to the bible in quite some time?

Has god stopped inspiring people to write his word? If so, why do you think is that?

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21-11-2012, 12:18 PM (This post was last modified: 21-11-2012 12:22 PM by Rum.)
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(21-11-2012 11:52 AM)Rum Wrote:  There are far to many contradictions for it to be inspired kingchosen how do you reconcile the bible stating two different facts which should you take to be true ?

Show me these contradictions.

Here is a list of 1001 contradictions, there are a number of sites with similar info if you look for it.

http://www.1001biblecontradictions.com/I...27%5D.html





No and yes. Disproving the Bible doesn't disprove God. God's instructions for His believers change over time. There was a different set of instructions for the Jews, for the early church, and for the Church Age (us). God uses inspired text to instruct these groups. God is using the current Bible to instruct us; but, older groups were instructed by other inspired texts.



The above statement could be said to be a contradiction of the bible as it says in the bible that God doesn't change.
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21-11-2012, 12:20 PM
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(21-11-2012 12:15 PM)SomeOne Wrote:  KC,

When was the last time a book or scripture was added to the christian bible? why we havent seen any new "scripture" inspired by god and added to the bible in quite some time?

Has god stopped inspiring people to write his word? If so, why do you think is that?
1546 (I think... can't remember) was the finalization of Biblical canon.

Yes, I think God stopped inspiring works because the Bible finishes with the end of the Church Age. So, there was nothing else to teach or to reveal via scripture for the Church Age.

God established His instructions for us and that was it. John caps it off by letting everyone know that nothing should be added or taken away from Biblical inspiration.

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21-11-2012, 12:26 PM
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(21-11-2012 12:18 PM)Rum Wrote:  Here is a list of 1001 contradictions, there are a number of sites with similar info if you look for it.

http://www.1001biblecontradictions.com/I...27%5D.html
These are easily reconciled... and I have before.

Many of these are based on literal accuracy of the Bible... which is something that scripture never claims.

The Bible only claims inspiration. In that context, we also have to understand its purpose. Its purpose wasn't a science, history, or math book, but a way that God communicates His plan and purpose to His elect.

The Bible isn't literally inerrant. It never claims to be.

Many instances of Biblical contradictions can easily be reconciled if you look at the history of the ANE culture and how things were written.

But, if there are contradictions that you want me to address, just ask.

I'm not going to go through all 1001 and show you their reconciliation.

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21-11-2012, 12:28 PM
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(21-11-2012 12:18 PM)Rum Wrote:  The above statement could be said to be a contradiction of the bible as it says in the bible that God doesn't change.

How is that changing?

God isn't changing by giving a different set of instructions to a different set of people.

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21-11-2012, 12:29 PM
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But it is now apparent that it has been added to or taken away from or it was inaccurate to start with, now we can either accept that this book is not the infallable work of God or we can assume it has been altered either way how can we take anything it says and say this is truth ?
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21-11-2012, 12:34 PM
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(21-11-2012 12:29 PM)Rum Wrote:  But it is now apparent that it has been added to or taken away from or it was inaccurate to start with, now we can either accept that this book is not the infallable work of God or we can assume it has been altered either way how can we take anything it says and say this is truth ?
The inaccuracies were relative.

They were accurate by the standard knowledge of the time period that it was written in; however, the are inaccurate with modern science.

Again, all of this is moot because none of that is why the Bible was written.

So, the Bible wasn't altered... it's original history and science of that time was copied and translated.

Again, the Bible never claims to be literally inerrant. If it did, then yes, we couldn't take it for truth.

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21-11-2012, 12:40 PM
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By your own admission there are inaccuracies some may well be human error when writing it down originally however considering that a lot of emphasis is sometimes placed on the individual wording of the bible it is fair to point out that if some errors exist then there is no way to know what is actually Gods word and what may be in error.
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