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11-04-2013, 02:05 PM
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Hey KC.

Just wondering re the test tube baby comment etc, how do ya feel about abortin' fetuses all day long ?

I seem to recall you think it's OK ? I think I or someone else prob asked you before. Just checking...
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11-04-2013, 02:35 PM (This post was last modified: 11-04-2013 03:13 PM by kingschosen.)
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(11-04-2013 02:05 PM)morondog Wrote:  Hey KC.

Just wondering re the test tube baby comment etc, how do ya feel about abortin' fetuses all day long ?

I seem to recall you think it's OK ? I think I or someone else prob asked you before. Just checking...

No. I do not agree with abortion.

But, I do not oppose the laws that are in place, as it has been deemed a freedom.

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11-04-2013, 02:51 PM
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The "everyone sins" doctrine, and what the other doctrine states about "what do do with them" really is a fascinating one. There are "rules" set up [supposedly by god], and if you break one of them, . . . . in other words, . . . aren't perfect, then you are judged. But, . . . . who will judge god? The biblical god certainly isn't perfect, so to whom will "he" bend to and be judged by?
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11-04-2013, 03:17 PM
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(11-04-2013 02:51 PM)DeavonReye Wrote:  The "everyone sins" doctrine, and what the other doctrine states about "what do do with them" really is a fascinating one. There are "rules" set up [supposedly by god], and if you break one of them, . . . . in other words, . . . aren't perfect, then you are judged. But, . . . . who will judge god? The biblical god certainly isn't perfect, so to whom will "he" bend to and be judged by?

It is accepted in Christian doctrine that God is sovereign and autonomous. He isn't held to any standard but His own... and no one knows this standard except for God.

God is perfect when He's held against His own standard; however, according to human standards, that's not always the way it seems.

Since God is perfect (as accepted by doctrine) and humans are imperfect, human standards cannot judge God.

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11-04-2013, 06:41 PM
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(11-04-2013 11:52 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  I don't believe in an earthly recollection once we're in heaven. Any memories of earth will usher in pain. The Bible said that there will be no pain in heaven.
Wow, talk about a suckfest.

I am me because of every experience that I have had.
Imagine the frustration of having amnesia: you can't remember your wife, children, or friends. You have no idea what you did yesterday. However, you still possess a variety of basic knowledge: language, functionality, etc. This would be worse.
It actually sounds quite hellish to think of a time in which one could have no idea who they are, where they are, why they are there, or how they got there. They would literally never be themselves again. It seems rather pointless if you can't even be you, and are instead a blank, thoughtless flesh spirit bag.

You wouldn't even know that your supposed to be happy there, wherever it is.

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11-04-2013, 06:44 PM
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(11-04-2013 06:41 PM)Jeffasaurus Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 11:52 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  I don't believe in an earthly recollection once we're in heaven. Any memories of earth will usher in pain. The Bible said that there will be no pain in heaven.
Wow, talk about a suckfest.

I am me because of every experience that I have had.
Imagine the frustration of having amnesia: you can't remember your wife, children, or friends. You have no idea what you did yesterday. However, you still possess a variety of basic knowledge: language, functionality, etc. This would be worse.
It actually sounds quite hellish to think of a time in which one could have no idea who they are, where they are, why they are there, or how they got there. They would literally never be themselves again. It seems rather pointless if you can't even be you, and are instead a blank, thoughtless flesh spirit bag.

You wouldn't even know that your supposed to be happy there, wherever it is.

And this is the problem with Heaven, theists can't even come up with an idea that upon any examination doesn't sound more like hell than eternal paradise.

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11-04-2013, 07:42 PM
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(11-04-2013 06:44 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  And this is the problem with Heaven, theists can't even come up with an idea that upon any examination doesn't sound more like hell than eternal paradise.

Very true. Let's say there are one billion things to do in Heaven. After you've done them all a million times it would get quite boring and mundane. But wait! You're just getting started; that's not even .0000000001% of eternity. Weeping Laughat

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11-04-2013, 11:32 PM
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(11-04-2013 07:42 PM)Jeffasaurus Wrote:  Very true. Let's say there are one billion things to do in Heaven. After you've done them all a million times it would get quite boring and mundane. But wait! You're just getting started; that's not even .0000000001% of eternity. Weeping Laughat

Sure if I've got all eternity I'll eventually figure out how the whole shebang works, challenge God and make my own reality. Which will include lots and lots of fucking.
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11-04-2013, 11:46 PM
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(11-04-2013 01:50 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  I should have said, "according to the Christian doctrine".
In that case, my question is: Why do you believe that this is true?

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12-04-2013, 07:11 AM
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(11-04-2013 03:17 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 02:51 PM)DeavonReye Wrote:  The "everyone sins" doctrine, and what the other doctrine states about "what do do with them" really is a fascinating one. There are "rules" set up [supposedly by god], and if you break one of them, . . . . in other words, . . . aren't perfect, then you are judged. But, . . . . who will judge god? The biblical god certainly isn't perfect, so to whom will "he" bend to and be judged by?

It is accepted in Christian doctrine that God is sovereign and autonomous. He isn't held to any standard but His own... and no one knows this standard except for God.

God is perfect when He's held against His own standard; however, according to human standards, that's not always the way it seems.

Since God is perfect (as accepted by doctrine) and humans are imperfect, human standards cannot judge God.

But see, that starts to make no sense, . . . and begins to sound like a "do as I say, not as I do" kind of thing. We can debate whether or not it was immoral [and, of course it was] to personally cause the death of children and babies in flood or brimstone, . . . or ordering Hebrews to do it with the sword.

But what about "perfect knowledge"? The claim of omniscience? There are places in the Old Testament that show a god who either didn't know what was happening on earth, or was "talked out of an action" by a man's plea.

So, is that the way it is? The "do as I say, not as I do" thing, . . . . . . and the only difference is that this "god" merely has more power than us?
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