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14-05-2013, 08:24 AM
Ask a Theist!
(14-05-2013 08:10 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(14-05-2013 08:07 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  Where the fuck did you go?

Work is killing me right now.

I feel your pain.
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21-05-2013, 11:56 AM (This post was last modified: 21-05-2013 12:08 PM by TheLastEnemy.)
RE: Ask a Theist!
1)Why does God change his mind sometimes in the Bible?

Shouldn't an omnipotent being NEVER change his mind?, since changing the mind would have to be based on some new perspective or new information on things, which an omniscient being would already know.

2)You say that there will be people in heaven who are saved by Jesus' eventual sacrifice, does this mean just Hebrews, or will people from other cultures who would have been saved given the chance be there too?

3)How is it just for God to save some guilty from their deserved punishment?
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21-05-2013, 12:01 PM
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(21-05-2013 11:56 AM)TheLastEnemy Wrote:  Why does God change his mind sometimes in the Bible?

Shouldn't an omnipotent being NEVER change his mind?, since changing the mind would have to be based on some new perspective or new information on things, which an omniscient being would already know.

pssst... Dude... fiction. Drinking Beverage

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21-05-2013, 01:31 PM
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(21-05-2013 11:56 AM)TheLastEnemy Wrote:  1)Why does God change his mind sometimes in the Bible?

Shouldn't an omnipotent being NEVER change his mind?, since changing the mind would have to be based on some new perspective or new information on things, which an omniscient being would already know.

2)You say that there will be people in heaven who are saved by Jesus' eventual sacrifice, does this mean just Hebrews, or will people from other cultures who would have been saved given the chance be there too?

3)How is it just for God to save some guilty from their deserved punishment?

OH,And if you believe in evolution, at what point was the Soul "implanted", for lack of a better word?
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21-05-2013, 07:25 PM
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"2) The God of the OT and NT are the same; however, He does act differently. The OT rules were for the Jews. They were for symbolism, purity laws, and for obedience. The law serves as a blueprint for the teachings of Christ."

I thought God was a constant and static (though infinite) being - how does it make sense that he acts differently?

Why would the OT rules only be for Jews? Since God is supposedly perfect, would it not be in everyone's best interest to provide his Chosen people with the most clear and definite morality - unchanging? Or at least for humanity in general? Wouldn't God be able to in his omnipotence to communicate precisely and undeniably to all humanity his perfect moral law?

I find it difficult to see how God endorsing slavery, genocide (amalekites), capital punishment (for shellfish, adultery, disrespect towards parents, killing innocents - Egyptians in Exodus, 42 Children & Elisha, etc. - and beating children with an iron rod is symbolic for purity and obedience, much less mercy, compassion, and love.
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22-05-2013, 06:40 AM
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Simple answer . . . . . . . . . there is no such thing as an "omniscient god".
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22-05-2013, 07:43 AM
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(22-05-2013 06:40 AM)DeavonReye Wrote:  Simple answer . . . . . . . . . there is no such thing as an "omniscient god".

KC's answer to the riddle is that God is omniscient but not omnibenevolent.
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22-05-2013, 10:06 AM
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(22-05-2013 07:43 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(22-05-2013 06:40 AM)DeavonReye Wrote:  Simple answer . . . . . . . . . there is no such thing as an "omniscient god".

KC's answer to the riddle is that God is omniscient but not omnibenevolent.

Oh, . . . there is no doubt that the christian god [as depicted in the old testament, and some in the new] is definitely NOT "omnibenevolent". But he isn't omniscient either. There are examples.
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22-05-2013, 11:39 AM
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I'm sure this has been asked and answered, but 241 pages... so:
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The sacrifice of Jesus atones for mankind's sinful nature, inherited from Adam (and Eve, but we quibble).
Adam and Eve did not exist as literal human beings. Therefore, original sin could not have passed down to mankind as recorded in the Bible.

Why was the sacrifice of Christ necessary?
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22-05-2013, 04:37 PM
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KC has said there was no original sin.

Yes, the Sacrifice of Christ was necessary as it fulfilled God's plan.


Why god can't have a plan which does not require murder is beyond me, then then again, I'm not KC.
Thought that brings up the question: Can god change his plan?

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