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24-12-2011, 03:50 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(24-12-2011 02:42 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  everything happens either because God intends it to happen for "character building" or it's a result of the Curse of Original Sin, so it's too bad you got wiped out in a tsunami, but Creation is a Fallen place.
Bahaha Smile So God the cosmic father wants us to build character Smile What a champ! Here, have a tsunami, it's character building. Oh hey you other jokers, pray harder! I won't listen anyway 'cos I already got it planned, but it amuses me to watch you squirm - if you do it right I'll give you a spot in the afterlife where you can squirm and tell me how great I am forever...

Quote:PS, and yes, it still makes me feel like crap that I spoon fed this pablum to people who were paralyzed, dying of cancer, amputees, widows, families who had loved ones murdered, child abuse victims, ad nauseaum. Sad
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26-12-2011, 10:34 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(19-12-2011 10:30 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Hmm, my brain must not be processing this morning.

I'm still not sure what you're asking, but I'm going to try and answer it.

God created sin so that Jesus would have a purpose. His purpose was to atone for the sins of all humanity. God chose which humans would receive the atonement. Those that received the atonement had Jesus' righteousness imputed upon them.

The debt was the sins of all humanity.
The payment was Jesus' sacrifice.
The recipient of the payment was the elect.

I'm so confused. You're saying that god created sin so that he could insert the Jesus arc to rid of the very thing god created (sin)?
And you're also implying that god has chosen certain people to be atoned, meaning the concept of freewill has no place in your beliefs? So what happens to the people that god has not chosen?

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26-12-2011, 11:06 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(26-12-2011 10:34 PM)Mia Wrote:  
(19-12-2011 10:30 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Hmm, my brain must not be processing this morning.

I'm still not sure what you're asking, but I'm going to try and answer it.

God created sin so that Jesus would have a purpose. His purpose was to atone for the sins of all humanity. God chose which humans would receive the atonement. Those that received the atonement had Jesus' righteousness imputed upon them.

The debt was the sins of all humanity.
The payment was Jesus' sacrifice.
The recipient of the payment was the elect.

I'm so confused. You're saying that god created sin so that he could insert the Jesus arc to rid of the very thing god created (sin)?
And you're also implying that god has chosen certain people to be atoned, meaning the concept of freewill has no place in your beliefs? So what happens to the people that god has not chosen?

Mia, meet KC. KC, meet Mia.

KC is weird even for a theist. He's a Calvinist who does not believe in free will. And you were created to fry in Hell to bring glory to Jesus.

Otherwise, the kid is a little creepy, but likeable.

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26-12-2011, 11:23 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(26-12-2011 11:06 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  
(26-12-2011 10:34 PM)Mia Wrote:  
(19-12-2011 10:30 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Hmm, my brain must not be processing this morning.

I'm still not sure what you're asking, but I'm going to try and answer it.

God created sin so that Jesus would have a purpose. His purpose was to atone for the sins of all humanity. God chose which humans would receive the atonement. Those that received the atonement had Jesus' righteousness imputed upon them.

The debt was the sins of all humanity.
The payment was Jesus' sacrifice.
The recipient of the payment was the elect.

I'm so confused. You're saying that god created sin so that he could insert the Jesus arc to rid of the very thing god created (sin)?
And you're also implying that god has chosen certain people to be atoned, meaning the concept of freewill has no place in your beliefs? So what happens to the people that god has not chosen?

Mia, meet KC. KC, meet Mia.

KC is weird even for a theist. He's a Calvinist who does not believe in free will. And you were created to fry in Hell to bring glory to Jesus.

Otherwise, the kid is a little creepy, but likeable.

That's what I was trying to get at in my questioning him.
If this is what you believe KC, than I don't think any further discussion with me on this matter is necessary, as I cannot wrap my mind around such a construct

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27-12-2011, 04:12 AM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(26-12-2011 11:23 PM)Mia Wrote:  
(26-12-2011 11:06 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  
(26-12-2011 10:34 PM)Mia Wrote:  
(19-12-2011 10:30 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Hmm, my brain must not be processing this morning.

I'm still not sure what you're asking, but I'm going to try and answer it.

God created sin so that Jesus would have a purpose. His purpose was to atone for the sins of all humanity. God chose which humans would receive the atonement. Those that received the atonement had Jesus' righteousness imputed upon them.

The debt was the sins of all humanity.
The payment was Jesus' sacrifice.
The recipient of the payment was the elect.

I'm so confused. You're saying that god created sin so that he could insert the Jesus arc to rid of the very thing god created (sin)?
And you're also implying that god has chosen certain people to be atoned, meaning the concept of freewill has no place in your beliefs? So what happens to the people that god has not chosen?

Mia, meet KC. KC, meet Mia.

KC is weird even for a theist. He's a Calvinist who does not believe in free will. And you were created to fry in Hell to bring glory to Jesus.

Otherwise, the kid is a little creepy, but likeable.

That's what I was trying to get at in my questioning him.
If this is what you believe KC, than I don't think any further discussion with me on this matter is necessary, as I cannot wrap my mind around such a construct

I think you've got that right, Mia. He has traded sanity for certainty.

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27-12-2011, 09:13 AM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(27-12-2011 04:12 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(26-12-2011 11:23 PM)Mia Wrote:  
(26-12-2011 11:06 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  
(26-12-2011 10:34 PM)Mia Wrote:  
(19-12-2011 10:30 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Hmm, my brain must not be processing this morning.

I'm still not sure what you're asking, but I'm going to try and answer it.

God created sin so that Jesus would have a purpose. His purpose was to atone for the sins of all humanity. God chose which humans would receive the atonement. Those that received the atonement had Jesus' righteousness imputed upon them.

The debt was the sins of all humanity.
The payment was Jesus' sacrifice.
The recipient of the payment was the elect.

I'm so confused. You're saying that god created sin so that he could insert the Jesus arc to rid of the very thing god created (sin)?
And you're also implying that god has chosen certain people to be atoned, meaning the concept of freewill has no place in your beliefs? So what happens to the people that god has not chosen?

Mia, meet KC. KC, meet Mia.

KC is weird even for a theist. He's a Calvinist who does not believe in free will. And you were created to fry in Hell to bring glory to Jesus.

Otherwise, the kid is a little creepy, but likeable.

That's what I was trying to get at in my questioning him.
If this is what you believe KC, than I don't think any further discussion with me on this matter is necessary, as I cannot wrap my mind around such a construct

I think you've got that right, Mia. He has traded sanity for certainty.

Kinda like Forest Gump...still likeable. Big Grin

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27-12-2011, 09:16 AM
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I just felt like ruhn-nihng.

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27-12-2011, 01:44 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
If someone already asked this,shame on me.
Are you pro-choice or ''pro-life''?
And how do you justify God aborting fetuses simply because he wanted and without even asking or informing the mother,yet he strictly has forbidden the woman herself to decide for an abortion?

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27-12-2011, 02:12 PM
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(27-12-2011 01:44 PM)znk666 Wrote:  If someone already asked this,shame on me.
Are you pro-choice or ''pro-life''?
And how do you justify God aborting fetuses simply because he wanted and without even asking or informing the mother,yet he strictly has forbidden the woman herself to decide for an abortion?

From here:

4) I do not support abortion. I believe it is murder. However, I do not oppose the abortion laws. There is a misconception that just because you do not oppose a law it means that you support the law. This isn't the case. The law is already a law. Legally, the United States says that a fetus is not a human and its the mother's civil right to make a choice whether or not to abort the child. Christ commands us to honor the government but that doesn't mean we have to agree with it.

As for the other part of the question: Yes, it is, indeed, barbaric; however, I've addressed this before. Those were rules and commands for the Jews (why I don't follow), and God was ensuring a non-corrupted Messianic line (justification).

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27-12-2011, 03:48 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
This has probably been asked before but I wonder what your take is on this:

Why do theists insist on bothering with continuously pushing their dogma on atheists when we are damned no matter what we do. The reason I say this is because of this particular scripture:

but whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath never forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin - Mark 3:29

Doesn't this negate any reason to start believing in such things. Why would an atheist even bother (if an atheist would even consider converting), we obviously already blaspheme the holy spirit.

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