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18-12-2014, 09:55 AM
RE: Ask a Theist!
I was just going to let this fade away, but I think I need to address it...

(17-12-2014 12:31 PM)Timber1025 Wrote:  Sorry, but just tired of the same old game of asking a christian about something stated in the bible and receiving the "show me where it says that" response in return. It either means one of two things (and not implied to you personally): I don't know the bible all that well, or I need to twist the context to redefine the meaning according to my opinion/view.

Well... that's a self-defeating answer isn't it. You're tired of the same old crap so you acted a certain way towards me but it wasn't directed at me personally?

What?

C'mon dude. Come off it. You acted like a dick to me because of my theism. You gave no thought to my intentions of why I asked, my past, my reputation, or my ability to discuss.

Based on this thread alone you should know that I have the ability to discuss and the "don't know the bible well and twisting the context" isn't something that is practiced by me.

And even if you knew nothing about me, automatically jumping to those conclusions is a lazy and hypocritical thing to do when trying to have a discussion. It's a double standard. Why do you have the ability to make pre-judgments about someone based solely on a religious title? Would it be okay for me to stereotype you as a pretentious dick and that you're going to act like solely because of your title as an "atheist"?

Why is it okay for you to do that with me?

Quote:Forgot I had to walk on eggshells with ya.

You don't. I'm just going to call you out on your hypocrisy when it comes to fair discussion. I don't "owe" you anything nor am I obligated to answer anything.

As Impulse said, I wanted a clear, concise, efficient set of questions as to avoid needless BS and topic veering. I answer questions and approach topics so that there is a clear answer without any vagueness.

My reputation (actual rep, not the green numbers), supports that, so if you really "knew" anything about me (implied by you saying you forgot you had to walk on eggshells), you would know how silly and ridiculous that sentence is.

Quote:I mean one of the commandments talks about worshiping other gods so I thought the references to multiple gods was kinda obvious - my bad I guess.

and wtf is with people playing the victim when they get called out? "My bad, I guess."

No, I called you out on your BS. I asked a legit question and you acted like a dick. Own it, apologize (or not), and move on. That passive aggressive crap is nauseating.



With that being said, if you still want to have a legit discussion, I guess I'm game. You want answers for the verses you listed?

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18-12-2014, 02:40 PM
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KC, why do you swear so much despite Ephesians 4:29?
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18-12-2014, 02:56 PM (This post was last modified: 18-12-2014 03:12 PM by kim.)
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(18-12-2014 02:40 PM)docskeptic Wrote:  KC, why do you swear so much despite Ephesians 4:29?
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I'll get this one for you Kingsy....

Well, maybe he likes to concentrate on the part that says, "...it may benefit those who listen.". Always read the entire verse. Wink

Plus, it's been scientifically proven that swearing helps one tolerate actual, physical stress. Thumbsup
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18-12-2014, 03:06 PM
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(18-12-2014 02:40 PM)docskeptic Wrote:  KC, why do you swear so much despite Ephesians 4:29?
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That has nothing to do with swearing and saying profanities and you know it*.

I used to not swear, but then I realized that words are just words and are meant to be used. Some words are more effective at conveying emotion than others and/or connotation.

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That whole chapter is about unity in the spirit of believers. It is directed towards believers on how to interact with and respond to fellow believers. The context isn't saying "Don't cuss!!!". The context is Paul telling church members to stop in-fighting, gossiping, and saying horrible things about each other. C'mon, Doc... that WHOLE chapter is about how Christians should treat each other... that's a pretty out of context claim.

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18-12-2014, 03:17 PM
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You have probably answered this before, and this will be a general relative question really. But, what do you do, or how do you handle anything you might find that is contradictory in your religion? Do you follow it to the letter, or do you simply pull from what you think is most correct, or do you handle it in another way?


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18-12-2014, 03:17 PM
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"Don't use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them." NLT

Then why use abbreviations like wtf or BS? Why not be more explicit? You know better. A Christian is supposed to stand out. Be different from the crowd, as it were.

I just think swearing isn't an effective tool for communication. My humble suggestion to you is to lay off that kind of talk. You don't need it.

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18-12-2014, 03:27 PM
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I admit to not having read all 303 pages of this thread so if this has already been covered I apologize for the re-hash.

One of the arguments I often hear theists make is that our morality was given to us by God and that they fear an atheistic world because everything would be subjective and we'd lose the underpinnings of our morality.

If its true that morality came to us from God, and specifically the God of the Bible, how is it that morality has evolved and expanded to include so much that was not specifically described in the Bible? For example, we have the Biblical Commandment "Thou Shalt Not Kill," which is still considered viable today. But we've also come to consider slavery immoral, where the Bible makes no admonishment of it, and we've come to very much value (at least in America and most of The West) a "right" to free speech and a free press, and the Bible provides us no such rights at all.

If God handed down our moral code, why are we now so repulsed by a great many things He had no objection to, and why do we enjoy a great many rights that did not come from his Word?
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18-12-2014, 03:27 PM
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(18-12-2014 03:17 PM)docskeptic Wrote:  "Don't use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them." NLT

Then why use abbreviations like wtf or BS? Why not be more explicit. You know better. A Christian is supposed to stand out. Be different from the crowd, as it were.

I just think swearing isn't an effective tool for communication. My humble suggestion to you is to lay off that kind of talk. You don't need it.

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Fair enough evaluation.

And I use abbreviations because I literally don't say "what the fuck" or "bullshit" in my head when I'm typing. WTF is... just... WTF... BS is just... BS. I understand what they mean and their implications, but there isn't some ulterior motive behind me using them.

On a sidenote, that dynamic translation greatly differs from the literal translation of the Greek. Just saying.

A literal translation:
Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear.

Also... keep in mind the context of whom will be "hearing" (fellow believers). That's the context of the chapter.

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18-12-2014, 03:30 PM
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(18-12-2014 03:17 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  You have probably answered this before, and this will be a general relative question really. But, what do you do, or how do you handle anything you might find that is contradictory in your religion? Do you follow it to the letter, or do you simply pull from what you think is most correct, or do you handle it in another way?

In all honesty, it's hard to find something contrary to my "religion". I guess there would have to be a revisitation of the subject and a possible recanting or reconciliation.

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18-12-2014, 03:32 PM
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You probably have been asked this before but I figure, "why not ask anyways?" Plus I can't resist asking somebody something if they have a boxer. I got two at home. Lovely breed of dog they are. Boxers.

So my question. As one that believes that Jesus is the "reason for the season," how do you feel about the increasing commercialism of Christmas? Does it bother you at all? Would you much rather others mention more about the birth of Jesus than Santa and presents? Also, how do you feel about less "Merry Christmas" in businesses? Like, y'know, how certain stores don't allow employees to say, "Merry Christmas," and other companies that had manger scenes (for example) but no longer display them. It seems like more places allowed these things when I was younger but I hardly notice much expression of Christmas by businesses other than, y'know, red and green signs and discounts in recent years.

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