Ask a Theist!
Post Reply
 
Thread Rating:
  • 9 Votes - 5 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
18-12-2014, 03:32 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(18-12-2014 03:27 PM)Mr. Boston Wrote:  I admit to not having read all 303 pages of this thread so if this has already been covered I apologize for the re-hash.

One of the arguments I often hear theists make is that our morality was given to us by God and that they fear an atheistic world because everything would be subjective and we'd lose the underpinnings of our morality.

If its true that morality came to us from God, and specifically the God of the Bible, how is it that morality has evolved and expanded to include so much that was not specifically described in the Bible? For example, we have the Biblical Commandment "Thou Shalt Not Kill," which is still considered viable today. But we've also come to consider slavery immoral, where the Bible makes no admonishment of it, and we've come to very much value (at least in America and most of The West) a "right" to free speech and a free press, and the Bible provides us no such rights at all.

If God handed down our moral code, why are we now so repulsed by a great many things He had no objection to, and why do we enjoy a great many rights that did not come from his Word?

I believe morality is subjective and changing.

God is autonomous and is subjected to Himself in terms of morality aka He isn't held to our standard of morality.

[Image: dog-shaking.gif]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
18-12-2014, 03:39 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(18-12-2014 03:17 PM)docskeptic Wrote:  I just think swearing isn't an effective tool for communication.

The fucking cops are fucking keen to fucking keep it fucking clean... the fucking chief's a fucking swine who fucking draws a fucking line... at fucking fun and fucking games... the fucking kids he fucking blames... are nowhere to be fucking found... anywhere in Chicken town...


Bechased

We'll love you just the way you are
If you're perfect -- Alanis Morissette
(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 3 users Like morondog's post
18-12-2014, 03:43 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
What are some of your favorite fictional books? Read anything? If you don't read, replace book with Vydia Game!


My Youtube channel if anyone is interested.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEkRdbq...rLEz-0jEHQ
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
18-12-2014, 03:46 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(18-12-2014 03:32 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  God is autonomous and is subjected to Himself in terms of morality aka He isn't held to our standard of morality.

Well that's a good thing, lest we have people randomly sacking cities, putting babies to the sword, etc.

What I guess I'm getting at is are we wrong in Western society for considering slavery immoral, or considering Men and Women equal because God never said either was the case, or are we in the right and God just failed to mention it, preferring to let us figure it out on our own thousands of years later for some reason? I just hear a lot of Christians cite the Bible as a source of morality, yet the vast majority of Christians I know are in fact considerably more moral than the God they worship. How would a Christian claim justification or reinforcement for their extra-Biblical morality? If something other than the Bible, and/or God has inspired us to a higher morality, why do we need the Bible and/or God?
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
18-12-2014, 03:47 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(17-12-2014 08:39 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(16-12-2014 05:48 PM)Stuffed_Assumption_Meringue Wrote:  KC: Apologies if this has been asked before, it's a long-arse thread.

If there was an god that existed before the universe why would that be the only thing that existed before the universe? Couldn't a second god exist? (Diffentiated by quotes.)

Are you asking me hypothetically or what I think?

Hypothetically, anything is possible. So, yeah... a second god could exist. Do I believe that? No... no, I don't.

Is that because of the whole "I am the one true god" thing or for another reason?

Would it also be possible for another pre-universe being/ thing to exist that doesn't meet your definition of god and would that be a different story?

Also:
I realised after checking back into the thread that you can't have two omniscient non-material beings. The only way the minds of two things that hold all the same information from all possible perspectives could be different was if they we're wired differently, which is impossible if there's no wiring.

Soulless mutants of muscle and intent. There are billions of us; hardy, smart and dangerous. Shaped by millions of years of death. We are the definitive alpha predator. We build monsters of fire and stone. We bottled the sun. We nailed our god to a stick.

In man's struggle against the world, bet on the man.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
18-12-2014, 03:49 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(18-12-2014 03:32 PM)Miss Suzanne Wrote:  You probably have been asked this before but I figure, "why not ask anyways?" Plus I can't resist asking somebody something if they have a boxer. I got two at home. Lovely breed of dog they are. Boxers.

ThumbsupThumbsupThumbsupThumbsupThumbsupThumbsup

Quote:So my question is, how do you feel, as one that believes that Jesus is the "reason for the season,"

lol Christmas hijacked Winter Solstice

Quote:how do you feel about the increasing commercialism of Christmas? Does it bother you at all?

I honestly don't care. If it helps our struggling economy I'm all for it.

Quote:Would you much rather others mention more about the birth of Jesus than Santa and presents?

Since Jesus wasn't born on December 25th, 1AD no more than Santa is real, the whole thing is kind of silly.

I personally don't think we should have a huge extravaganza once a year memorializing Christ's birth as it moves the fulcrum of importance of everything God has done. Jesus' birth is a single factor in God's plan and is equally important as everything else.

But... you know... I guess I would miss the presents.

Quote:Also, how do you feel about less "Merry Christmas" in businesses? Like, y'know, how certain stores don't allow employees to say, "Merry Christmas," and other companies that had manger scenes (for example) but no longer display them. It seems like more places allowed these things when I was younger but I hardly notice much expression of Christmas by businesses other than, y'know, red and green signs and discounts in recent years.

It's stupid. PC is getting out of hand. Even in churches. My church fought over having Christmas trees in the church because they originated from a pagan holiday.

You know what? It's "part" of the tradition now. Just like Santa. Just like poinsettias. Just like "Merry Christmas". There are no hidden meanings. Things change and adapt and take on new meanings... just how it is. Get over it, people.

[Image: dog-shaking.gif]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
18-12-2014, 03:57 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(18-12-2014 03:43 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  What are some of your favorite fictional books? Read anything? If you don't read, replace book with Vydia Game!

I try to read as much as I can.

I've always loved comics. I love the Discworld series, Mazerunner series, Ender's Game... just a few.

For games, my I've always enjoyed RPGs.

I'm your typical nerd.

[Image: dog-shaking.gif]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
18-12-2014, 04:00 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(18-12-2014 03:46 PM)Mr. Boston Wrote:  
(18-12-2014 03:32 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  God is autonomous and is subjected to Himself in terms of morality aka He isn't held to our standard of morality.

Well that's a good thing, lest we have people randomly sacking cities, putting babies to the sword, etc.

What I guess I'm getting at is are we wrong in Western society for considering slavery immoral, or considering Men and Women equal because God never said either was the case, or are we in the right and God just failed to mention it, preferring to let us figure it out on our own thousands of years later for some reason? I just hear a lot of Christians cite the Bible as a source of morality, yet the vast majority of Christians I know are in fact considerably more moral than the God they worship. How would a Christian claim justification or reinforcement for their extra-Biblical morality? If something other than the Bible, and/or God has inspired us to a higher morality, why do we need the Bible and/or God?

I believe morality is subjective and changing.
I believe morality is subjective and changing.
I believe morality is subjective and changing.

I... I don't know how to be any clearer.

[Image: dog-shaking.gif]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
18-12-2014, 04:01 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
KC, one last point and I'll have done. Do you swear in front of your children or wife? Do you approve of your children swearing? Why or why not?

Merry Christmas to you and to your family.

Doc
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
18-12-2014, 04:02 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(18-12-2014 03:17 PM)docskeptic Wrote:  I just think swearing isn't an effective tool for communication.

I disagree.

Any form of communication can be effective. It depends on how its used and the context.

Like anything, though, if it's abused or used incorrectly, it can lose its effectiveness and actually cause harm.

[Image: dog-shaking.gif]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply
Forum Jump: