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02-02-2012, 10:53 AM
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What god have planed for you and me and how we find out what it is?
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02-02-2012, 10:55 AM
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(02-02-2012 10:53 AM)Reactor Wrote:  What god have planed for you and me and how we find out what it is?

I do not know the answer to that.

Only God can answer that.

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02-02-2012, 11:02 AM
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(02-02-2012 10:47 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(02-02-2012 10:45 AM)Reactor Wrote:  
(02-02-2012 09:21 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(01-02-2012 06:39 PM)Reactor Wrote:  Why our actions can never be against god's plan?
Is there a mechanism that prevent us?
Yes. Since God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, His plan was predetermined before there was a "before". Everything was already laid out. We do not have the freewill to act outside of this plan. If we did, God would not be all powerful or all knowing.

1.So, if we do something that is against his plan then that whould be proof that god doesn't exist. Am I right? (or awesome maybe)

Yes.

But there is no way to know what God's plan is.

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02-02-2012, 11:03 AM
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(02-02-2012 10:55 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(02-02-2012 10:53 AM)Reactor Wrote:  What god have planed for you and me and how we find out what it is?

I do not know the answer to that.

Only God can answer that.

That seems really weird because i thought you claimed to know (a part of) god's plan. Here are some quotes but i think there are more out there.

(28-01-2012 12:37 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  That's against God's plan. I couldn't do it if I wanted to.
God has a plan for me... whatever it is, it has to be fulfilled.
(29-01-2012 12:59 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  I cannot kill myself or my family because it's against God's plan.
I couldn't do it if I wanted to.
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02-02-2012, 11:04 AM
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(02-02-2012 11:03 AM)Reactor Wrote:  
(02-02-2012 10:55 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(02-02-2012 10:53 AM)Reactor Wrote:  What god have planed for you and me and how we find out what it is?

I do not know the answer to that.

Only God can answer that.

That seems really weird because i thought you claimed to know (a part of) god's plan. Here are some quotes but i think there are more out there.

(28-01-2012 12:37 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  That's against God's plan. I couldn't do it if I wanted to.
God has a plan for me... whatever it is, it has to be fulfilled.
(29-01-2012 12:59 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  I cannot kill myself or my family because it's against God's plan.
I couldn't do it if I wanted to.

Exactly. I don't know God's plan for me or what the future holds.

The suicide thing is about desires. I don't have the desire for it, so it's not His plan.

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02-02-2012, 11:13 AM
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(29-01-2012 12:59 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  I cannot kill myself or my family because it's against God's plan.
(02-02-2012 11:04 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Exactly. I don't know God's plan for me or what the future holds.

But you clearly say here that killing yourself is against god's plan, and then you say you don't know god's plan.
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02-02-2012, 11:14 AM
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(02-02-2012 11:13 AM)Reactor Wrote:  
(29-01-2012 12:59 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  I cannot kill myself or my family because it's against God's plan.
(02-02-2012 11:04 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Exactly. I don't know God's plan for me or what the future holds.

But you clearly say here that killing yourself is against god's plan, and then you say you don't know god's plan.

I meant as far as my current desires go.

If God changes that, then I don't have a choice.

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02-02-2012, 11:16 AM
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So you don't admit that you just messed up your answers? -.-
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02-02-2012, 11:26 AM
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(02-02-2012 11:16 AM)Reactor Wrote:  So you don't admit that you just messed up your answers? -.-

I'll admit I wasn't as clear as I should have been.

But, the context of my answers were to be in relation to the questions being asked.

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02-02-2012, 11:45 AM
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(02-02-2012 11:02 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(02-02-2012 10:47 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(02-02-2012 10:45 AM)Reactor Wrote:  
(02-02-2012 09:21 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(01-02-2012 06:39 PM)Reactor Wrote:  Why our actions can never be against god's plan?
Is there a mechanism that prevent us?
Yes. Since God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, His plan was predetermined before there was a "before". Everything was already laid out. We do not have the freewill to act outside of this plan. If we did, God would not be all powerful or all knowing.

1.So, if we do something that is against his plan then that whould be proof that god doesn't exist. Am I right? (or awesome maybe)

Yes.

But there is no way to know what God's plan is.

I ll try to make his point more clear and possible extend it.

Since we can't know god's plan, then any questions, answers or claims regarding god's plan are meaningless.

So KC my suggestion is stop using "god's plan" because it is meaningless and no informations are given from your answers that include this.

Any objections?
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