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17-12-2012, 06:42 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(17-12-2012 12:02 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  If I was omnipotent and omniscient, then I would be entitled to it.


That's not what I asked. Your answer doesn't even begin to answer my question. I'm going to consider this an evasion.

Is there even such a thing as self-entitlement? Omnipotence may empower you to do this, how does it entitle you?

Also, you're not (as far as I can tell). Tongue

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17-12-2012, 06:57 PM
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(17-12-2012 06:42 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  
(17-12-2012 12:02 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  If I was omnipotent and omniscient, then I would be entitled to it.


That's not what I asked. Your answer doesn't even begin to answer my question. I'm going to consider this an evasion.

Is there even such a thing as self-entitlement? Omnipotence may empower you to do this, how does it entitle you?

Also, you're not (as far as I can tell). Tongue
No evasion.

Just didn't think you wanted a detailed answer. The androids that I programmed to not praise me (non-elect) would, of course, think ill of me and not understand because they weren't programmed with it.

Also, if I was truly the three omni's then I wouldn't have an opinion of myself. I would be the end-all, be-all. That would be fact. It would be it. The fact that I programmed people to worship[ doesn't affect my self esteem... as there isn't self esteem to affect. It's all simple fact.

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17-12-2012, 07:09 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(17-12-2012 06:57 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(17-12-2012 06:42 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  That's not what I asked. Your answer doesn't even begin to answer my question. I'm going to consider this an evasion.

Is there even such a thing as self-entitlement? Omnipotence may empower you to do this, how does it entitle you?

Also, you're not (as far as I can tell). Tongue
No evasion.

Just didn't think you wanted a detailed answer. The androids that I programmed to not praise me (non-elect) would, of course, think ill of me and not understand because they weren't programmed with it.

Also, if I was truly the three omni's then I wouldn't have an opinion of myself. I would be the end-all, be-all. That would be fact. It would be it. The fact that I programmed people to worship[ doesn't affect my self esteem... as there isn't self esteem to affect. It's all simple fact.
Partial evasion. My original question was, if you did this. Not if a triple-omni double-plus good being did this.

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17-12-2012, 07:20 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(17-12-2012 07:09 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  
(17-12-2012 06:57 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  No evasion.

Just didn't think you wanted a detailed answer. The androids that I programmed to not praise me (non-elect) would, of course, think ill of me and not understand because they weren't programmed with it.

Also, if I was truly the three omni's then I wouldn't have an opinion of myself. I would be the end-all, be-all. That would be fact. It would be it. The fact that I programmed people to worship[ doesn't affect my self esteem... as there isn't self esteem to affect. It's all simple fact.
Partial evasion. My original question was, if you did this. Not if a triple-omni double-plus good being did this.
How am I (as I am now) relevant to the analogy if I don't have the attributes of God?

That's apples and oranges, dude.

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17-12-2012, 08:07 PM
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You're apples and oranges. Dude. Tongue

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17-12-2012, 08:11 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(17-12-2012 08:07 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  You're apples and oranges. Dude. Tongue


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18-12-2012, 06:55 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(17-12-2012 07:20 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(17-12-2012 07:09 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  Partial evasion. My original question was, if you did this. Not if a triple-omni double-plus good being did this.
How am I (as I am now) relevant to the analogy if I don't have the attributes of God?

That's apples and oranges, dude.
That's not the point. The question was designed to elicit an answer that would help you understand how this god concept seems to an outsider. I suppose it was designed to illustrate how ridiculous the whole idea of his creating us just to worship him sounds to me. But, it seems you're having none of that, eh? I just thought you might like to know how I perceive some things.

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18-12-2012, 10:47 PM
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(18-12-2012 06:55 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  
(17-12-2012 07:20 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  How am I (as I am now) relevant to the analogy if I don't have the attributes of God?

That's apples and oranges, dude.
That's not the point. The question was designed to elicit an answer that would help you understand how this god concept seems to an outsider. I suppose it was designed to illustrate how ridiculous the whole idea of his creating us just to worship him sounds to me. But, it seems you're having none of that, eh? I just thought you might like to know how I perceive some things.
I missed the point of your question. Sorry, sometimes I'm too literal.

But, I see what you're saying, now. And yes, lol, I have been made aware on many occasions how insane I sound.

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18-12-2012, 10:48 PM
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(17-12-2012 08:07 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  You're apples and oranges. Dude. Tongue
Did you just call me a fruit?

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18-12-2012, 10:51 PM
RE: Ask a Theist!
(18-12-2012 10:47 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(18-12-2012 06:55 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  That's not the point. The question was designed to elicit an answer that would help you understand how this god concept seems to an outsider. I suppose it was designed to illustrate how ridiculous the whole idea of his creating us just to worship him sounds to me. But, it seems you're having none of that, eh? I just thought you might like to know how I perceive some things.
I missed the point of your question. Sorry, sometimes I'm too literal.

But, I see what you're saying, now. And yes, lol, I have been made aware on many occasions how insane I sound.

Smile


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