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31-01-2014, 07:10 AM
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(31-01-2014 06:29 AM)Luminon Wrote:  I find it offensive to pollute the ground of mother Nature with my corpse, which will be likely full of heavy metals, viruses, bacteria, toxins and so on. Cremation sounds better, but it's tough on energy demands, smoke pollution and grinding of charred bones to powder. So it's still not good enough.

I've heard of aquamation, it's reputedly a very fast, easy and cheap method of corpse disposal, used mostly on animals. Is it also available commercially for "funerals" (or lack of thereof)? It is my ideal that bodies should be disposed of ecologically for free by law, saving Americans 50,000 bucks per death for more important things than funeral, such as healthcare.

As much as I'm against law and taxes, human corpses are a pollutant and their hygienic disposal is a scientific injunction. I think that is a superior argument to sentiment of living people who want to hug and handle the body as their morbid religions taught them to. I'd be looking forward to some dirt-cheap yet hi-tech inhumation method. Any news on that horizon?

Rolleyes

So, you are outside of nature and don't want to pollute nature with yourself. In other words, you consider yourself supernatural? People have been rotting in grounds for hundreds on millions of years, and ,millions will continue to do so on a daily basis. Your physiology isn't different form theirs. Also, any heavy metals your body contains came from 'mother earth'. They are returning from whence they came. Dying is a natural process for natural being back into a natural celestial body. You're not special.

Now I want to cheat mother earth and get shot into space - not my ashes, my body. Hopefully by the time I kick the bucket it will be a possibility. Not that it much matters when you're dead, but I don't like the idea of my body being embalmed nor being incinerated. Tomb would be my second choice. Just chucking me in the ground in a trash bag would be choice number three. After that, I guess burial at sea. Nothing else appeals to me particularly, but I guess some preservation would be cool. Who knows? You could wind up in a museum some day. Plastinization, mummification, cryogenics, pickling, there are lots of options.

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31-01-2014, 07:16 AM
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(31-01-2014 07:10 AM)Dark Light Wrote:  
(31-01-2014 06:29 AM)Luminon Wrote:  I find it offensive to pollute the ground of mother Nature with my corpse, which will be likely full of heavy metals, viruses, bacteria, toxins and so on. Cremation sounds better, but it's tough on energy demands, smoke pollution and grinding of charred bones to powder. So it's still not good enough.

I've heard of aquamation, it's reputedly a very fast, easy and cheap method of corpse disposal, used mostly on animals. Is it also available commercially for "funerals" (or lack of thereof)? It is my ideal that bodies should be disposed of ecologically for free by law, saving Americans 50,000 bucks per death for more important things than funeral, such as healthcare.

As much as I'm against law and taxes, human corpses are a pollutant and their hygienic disposal is a scientific injunction. I think that is a superior argument to sentiment of living people who want to hug and handle the body as their morbid religions taught them to. I'd be looking forward to some dirt-cheap yet hi-tech inhumation method. Any news on that horizon?

Rolleyes

So, you are outside of nature and don't want to pollute nature with yourself. In other words, you consider yourself supernatural? People have been rotting in grounds for hundreds on millions of years, and ,millions will continue to do so on a daily basis. Your physiology isn't different form theirs. Also, any heavy metals your body contains came from 'mother earth'. They are returning from whence they came. Dying is a natural process for natural being back into a natural celestial body. You're not special.

Now I want to cheat mother earth and get shot into space - not my ashes, my body. Hopefully by the time I kick the bucket it will be a possibility. Not that it much matters when you're dead, but I don't like the idea of my body being embalmed nor being incinerated. Tomb would be my second choice. Just chucking me in the ground in a trash bag would be choice number three. After that, I guess burial at sea. Nothing else appeals to me particularly, but I guess some preservation would be cool. Who knows? You could wind up in a museum some day. Plastinization, mummification, cryogenics, pickling, there are lots of options.

I couldn't care less about what happens to my body after I am dead. For all I care the vultures can have it.

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31-01-2014, 07:21 AM
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This is probably the right thread to post this, I've been driving past this Crematorium in Perth for a few months now, laughing at, but with the feeling I should be offended at the same time: they have put a few of theses billboards up around south east Perth
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31-01-2014, 08:35 AM
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(31-01-2014 07:21 AM)sporehux Wrote:  This is probably the right thread to post this, I've been driving past this Crematorium in Perth for a few months now, laughing at, but with the feeling I should be offended at the same time: they have put a few of theses billboards up around south east Perth
[Image: JustCremations.jpg]
[Image: just-cremations-banner-sign.jpg]

http://www.justcremations.com.au/

Looks like this is the equivalent of the Neptune society - great outfit, very inexpensive and they come and collect you wherever in the world you may be and cremate you and get your remains to the appropriate party or scatter you according to your wishes.

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31-01-2014, 08:53 AM
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You can always donate your body to science if you want it to be of use post mortem.

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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31-01-2014, 09:48 AM
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(31-01-2014 07:10 AM)Dark Light Wrote:  Rolleyes

So, you are outside of nature and don't want to pollute nature with yourself. In other words, you consider yourself supernatural? People have been rotting in grounds for hundreds on millions of years, and ,millions will continue to do so on a daily basis. Your physiology isn't different form theirs. Also, any heavy metals your body contains came from 'mother earth'. They are returning from whence they came. Dying is a natural process for natural being back into a natural celestial body. You're not special.

Now I want to cheat mother earth and get shot into space - not my ashes, my body. Hopefully by the time I kick the bucket it will be a possibility. Not that it much matters when you're dead, but I don't like the idea of my body being embalmed nor being incinerated. Tomb would be my second choice. Just chucking me in the ground in a trash bag would be choice number three. After that, I guess burial at sea. Nothing else appeals to me particularly, but I guess some preservation would be cool. Who knows? You could wind up in a museum some day. Plastinization, mummification, cryogenics, pickling, there are lots of options.
I'm not outside of nature, but what about my mercury dental fillings, what about my future arthritic deposits, heavy metals and toxins in fat, tapeworm eggs in my muscles, viruses in my nerve cell coatings, who am I to release all that crap into the nature?

People have been rotting in ground for millions of years and people have also been getting sick for millions of years. Somebody should do a good study on how viruses, bacteria and all the other parasites survive in ground, where do they get carried by worms and so on. What about the deep ground waters and cadaverous fluids seeping into it?

(31-01-2014 08:53 AM)Hafnof Wrote:  You can always donate your body to science if you want it to be of use post mortem.
Last time I heard scientists were walled-off with heaps of donated bodies. The more expensive the funerals get, the more supportive people get about science.
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31-01-2014, 03:37 PM
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Collecting my gear from the airport I once had to work around a crate that was sitting out in the sun (~40C in the summer here). It was labeled "human remains" and addressed to India, that can't be good can it?

Have you had to deal with badly re-patriated or stored bodies?

Fascinating thread btw, thank you.

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31-01-2014, 04:24 PM
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Wow! There's a lot of new questions here so I'll try to get to them as quickly as I can.

(29-01-2014 10:37 PM)Invisible Boy Wrote:  Well, I guess I'm a bit late to the party but here it goes:

I have a thread in the pseudociences & conspiracies section of this board regarding an alleged miracle in which a human being, in modern times, was supposedly raised back to life, over 48 hours *after* being declared clinically dead. This event happened in Nigeria. There are a lot of details about it; I had to do quite a bit of searching around the internet for them. I could eventually find all the sources and list them, but for brevity's sake I'll list the two that really stand out:

First, the mortician supposedly injected about half a dozen syringes full of embalming fluid into this guy's presumably dead body *before* attempting a full embalming. I don't understand what good that would do. One webpage said it was in the hands & feet, to prevent curling of his fingers & toes. Another mentions to "slow "decomposition". In any case, is that order of embalming fluid injections--a substantial amount of them, with a syringe, *then* a full embalming later--regularly done, in developing nations or elsewhere?

Second, some supernatural-phenomenon was suspected of being caused by the corpse, including receiving electric "shocks" when attempting to touch it & and actually perform the full embalming, and later on hearing choir-like singing from the room it was in. Allegedly, the mortician got freaked out by this and told the family of the dead man to come take the corpse away. They did, placed it in a coffin & put cotton balls in the 'dead' man's nostrils. A day later, in church, with many people praying, the man supposedly was resurrected. Could very shallow breathing allow somebody to survive, even with cotton in their ears & being in a coffin?

I appreciate any help given.

I call bullshit. On all of it. It's theoretically possible for someone to be in a catatonic state- near death, with shallow breathing, and be mistakenly pronounced dead. It's happened all over the world, though wirh current technologu in any developed nation it's all but unheard of.
However, embalming fluid is toxic. Very toxic. Even breathing the fumes is quite hazardous. If more than a few drops entered the blood stream, it would undoubtedly kill the person. There's no way the embalming process had begun already, then the person somehow came back to life.
Methods vary wildly throughout the world, but I've never heard of anyone using a syringe to inject preservatives before starting the full process. I don't see any reason that would be done. Usually a syringe is used after the embalming to put a lottle more chemical in areas that may not have gotten well preserved.

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31-01-2014, 04:28 PM
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(30-01-2014 08:00 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  Could you put the ashes of a cremated body in a compost heap or spread it on a vegetable patch as a mulch?

It seems a waste to throw it away if it helps grow some better produce. Or would there be too many contaminants?

There are a lot of regulations here in California as ro what you can legally do with ashes because of contamination concerns, but honestly I see no way something can be burned and still be harmful in any way. That being said, I don't think it would benefit the plants much. But if you live in an area where it's legal (or even if you don't, it's not like anyone ever chevks into these things), I see no reason not to, of it's what the person wants.

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31-01-2014, 04:31 PM
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(31-01-2014 12:22 AM)Pippen Wrote:  Ok obviously the family's requests come first, but the thought of what clothes my mother would have be buried/cremated in scares me more than death itself.

Do you take into consideration arrangement from BFF's and other friends who have a much better idea what the deceased would want?
Depends on the situation... technically, the next of kin as the final say in all matters. But you could always let your family know you would rather a particular person be in charge of the clothing, or pick out your own outfit prior to passing (assuming you know when the rime is coming). Or, if it would be all around better to have someone else in charge of all arrangements, you could designate them as your power or attorney and that would make them your legal next of kin.

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