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12-03-2014, 04:35 PM
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(12-03-2014 05:37 AM)Eva Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 04:34 AM)Charis Wrote:  I'm probably not making much sense.

You make perfect sense. I do not come from a religious family and only ever had a vague sense of some sort of Christian god which, once I started thinking about it and reading up (including the bible) it was pretty easy to shake off. Your posts are really interesting as you tell it from the perspective of someone who is not finding this process easy, so they are very illuminating. Thumbsup

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Yeah, this is really kinda rough. And the thing is, to a christian or anyone who comes from a belief system that emphasizes the afterlife, the stakes are soooo high. So if I was to get it wrong? I know it sounds crazy to you guys, but IF Hell is real, it's a terrifying thing to think of me being wrong on it.
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12-03-2014, 04:39 PM
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(12-03-2014 06:11 AM)Bows and Arrows Wrote:  are most baptists YEC'ers? Or is just the fundamentalist baptists?

That really varies more from church to church. I would say Baptists have a larger percentage of YECs in their congregations than the majority of denominations, with of course fundamental baptists having probably the highest percentage... but this is only based on what I've observed, so I could be wrong where other denominations are concerned. The idea of YEC is growing within American Christianity as the publicity spreads though, so those percentages are likely to increase within different denominations, but I couldn't guess by how much over what period of time.
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12-03-2014, 06:48 PM
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(12-03-2014 04:35 PM)Charis Wrote:  Yeah, this is really kinda rough. And the thing is, to a christian or anyone who comes from a belief system that emphasizes the afterlife, the stakes are soooo high. So if I was to get it wrong? I know it sounds crazy to you guys, but IF Hell is real, it's a terrifying thing to think of me being wrong on it.

In that case you need more evidence to evaluate. Just thinking about it isn't enough. You need more information to consider. Pop-science books can quickly get you up to speed regarding current scientific knowledge. You can read up about evolution to better understand what we are and how we came about, astrophysics to learn about the scale of the universe, physics to learn about the laws of thermodynamics and how gods and miracles violate them. geology to understand the origin, age and development of the earth.

The very first book I would recommend though is 'The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark' by Carl Sagan to first understand the scientific method and how to recognise woo. It will equip you with some rules of thumb that he calls his "baloney detection kit".

After that you can better evaluate the probability of being wrong.
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12-03-2014, 06:51 PM
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(12-03-2014 06:48 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  [quote='Charis' pid='516497' dateline='1394663727']
The very first book I would recommend though is 'The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark' by Carl Sagan to first understand the scientific method and how to recognise woo. It will equip you with some rules of thumb that he calls his "baloney detection kit".

This times several million. That book is a simple and straightforward read yet will re-train your brain into thinking critically.
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12-03-2014, 07:17 PM
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Thank you guys, and I like the idea of a "baloney detection kit." It sounds useful AND has a humorous name, so that's a bonus! (humor not being a factor for validity, but a bonus nonetheless) Tongue
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12-03-2014, 08:07 PM
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Here is a favorite for your. Baloney detection kit, each icon on the page explains it.

Your logical fallacy is


pray in one hand and spit in the other, see which hand fills up first.
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12-03-2014, 08:10 PM
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OOOoooooo I actually saw that somewhere else on here (forgot where), and bookmarked it! Big Grin
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12-03-2014, 09:22 PM
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(12-03-2014 02:07 AM)Charis Wrote:  I was abused by my husband who was a deacon. I was raped, and then we went to the pastor and his wife for counselling. The pastor said it was better for my husband to do that than to give into the temptation of the porn. My husband had a porn addiction. I can never measure up to those women. But it was always seen as my fault or responsibility to keep him sated, blah blah blah.

Well let's just say I had to run. So I got out. But I'm in a bad situation (not going there atm) and he is just rosy as can be with his $120K per year income. He's had the support and blessing of the church and apparently God.

So this is justice.

Now I'm not sure WHAT to think, and now I'm here.

Wow. Insult to injury, my heart goes out to you. Hug

If this incident doesn't show you just how insane religious teachings are I don't know what does.

Throughout history conversions happen at the point of a sword, deconversions at the point of a pen - FC

I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's. - Mark Twain in Eruption
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12-03-2014, 09:28 PM (This post was last modified: 12-03-2014 10:03 PM by Charis.)
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Well, that incident did certainly start making me question things.

1. Is God REALLY concerned about justice?
2. Is God REALLY "good?"
3. Was I ever actually a christian? I mean, they'll be saying I wasn't.... because I left (I was "disciplined" for leaving him)
4. If this thing regarding justice and "God's goodness/righteousness" isn't true, what else isn't true?
5. Is God out there but in a form other than what is in the Bible?
6. If God is immoral, an immoral god does not mean a non-existent god. Does God exist? Is God moral? Immoral? Amoral?
7. Could it be true that I'm just a rebellious wife who is supposed to submit even to the point of death? I mean... do I have it all wrong? (lots of brainwashing involved)
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12-03-2014, 09:49 PM
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Quote:Was I ever actually a christian?

I'm sure you were more of a "christian" than they will ever be. You had the balls to question the immorality of their dogma. That's courage.

Realize where these insane misogynistic and bigoted views came from. An ancient and uneducated culture and the primitive writings that survived because of those who would benefit from the inherent power afforded them by it.

Its time to break the power that these beliefs have over you.

"It's a most distressing affliction to have a sentimental heart and a skeptical mind.”
― نجيب محفوظ, Sugar Street
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