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14-03-2017, 05:57 AM
RE: Assumptions about a creator
(13-03-2017 06:53 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Who cares who wrote it when where

Because much of it was written for political purposes and is intentionally aimed at supporting one faction over another. Additionally, much of it was written long after the supposed events and then the various conflicting documents were woven together in order to create a superficially harmonious document but which falls apart on scrutiny.

You believe you are reading a consistent, divinely-inspired document but the truth is that it is a VERY human document written for a number of different purposes. You are being duped.

Quote:and interpretation there's only one interpretation and you get the gist of it no matter how bad they screwed up on it that's what the bible says.

Tell that to the thousands of xian denominations that disagree on virtually every point of doctrine. There isn't just one interpretation... sometimes it seems like there's more than one interpretation per xian!

Quote:And however has not sinned through the first stone.

The irony of using something that was interpolated into the story long after the rest of it was written is hilarious.

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15-03-2017, 10:27 AM
RE: Assumptions about a creator
What faction are they leaning to the old testament is the history ofb the jews. Show mevone doctrine they disagree on.
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15-03-2017, 10:31 AM
RE: Assumptions about a creator
(15-03-2017 10:27 AM)socialistview Wrote:  What faction are they leaning to the old testament is the history ofb the jews. Show mevone doctrine they disagree on.

I have no clue what you are replying to or what you are asking. Who was talking about factions or disagreements?

As far as "history" goes, there was no flood, no tower of babel incident, no exodus, etc. Some of the text is historical but it is interwoven with mythology. It is not a "history of the Jews", it is a storybook. The fact that some people are gullible enough to believe it doesn't make it true.

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15-03-2017, 11:07 AM
RE: Assumptions about a creator
(15-03-2017 10:31 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(15-03-2017 10:27 AM)socialistview Wrote:  What faction are they leaning to the old testament is the history ofb the jews. Show mevone doctrine they disagree on.

I have no clue what you are replying to or what you are asking. Who was talking about factions or disagreements?

You were, in the post right above his. It would be nice, though, if he would learn to use the Reply and Quote functions so we didn't have to guess who and what he's responding to.

Quote:As far as "history" goes, there was no flood, no tower of babel incident, no exodus, etc. Some of the text is historical but it is interwoven with mythology. It is not a "history of the Jews", it is a storybook. The fact that some people are gullible enough to believe it doesn't make it true.
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15-03-2017, 11:16 AM
RE: Assumptions about a creator
(15-03-2017 10:27 AM)socialistview Wrote:  What faction are they leaning to

Priests vs. Kings, wrestling for control of the people, to use just one example -- also Israel vs. Judah when the kingdom was divided. Much of the Torah was written by the priests for their own benefit. All you have to do is read it (especially Leviticus) to see that.

Quote:the old testament is the history ofb the jews. Show mevone doctrine they disagree on.

Any Protestant will tell you dozens of things that Catholics are wrong about, and vice versa. Also any Protestant sect vs. any other Protestant sect. Why do you think there are so many of them?
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15-03-2017, 11:21 AM
RE: Assumptions about a creator
(15-03-2017 11:07 AM)Grasshopper Wrote:  
(15-03-2017 10:31 AM)unfogged Wrote:  I have no clue what you are replying to or what you are asking. Who was talking about factions or disagreements?

You were, in the post right above his. It would be nice, though, if he would learn to use the Reply and Quote functions so we didn't have to guess who and what he's responding to.

So I was. That's what I get for trying to multi-task. Facepalm

SV, if you want an example of a disagreement over doctrine about about we start at the top with nontrinitarianism or perhaps on whether baptism requires immersion or not...

I doubt you'll find a single point of doctrine that isn't disputed by some Christian group. Yes, I know, they aren't "True Christians™" but the fact is that they have exactly the same basis for their beliefs as you do for yours. That's why faith is not a reasonable basis for belief. It lets you believe literally anything.

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15-03-2017, 01:14 PM
RE: Assumptions about a creator
(15-03-2017 11:21 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(15-03-2017 11:07 AM)Grasshopper Wrote:  You were, in the post right above his. It would be nice, though, if he would learn to use the Reply and Quote functions so we didn't have to guess who and what he's responding to.

So I was. That's what I get for trying to multi-task. Facepalm

SV, if you want an example of a disagreement over doctrine about about we start at the top with nontrinitarianism or perhaps on whether baptism requires immersion or not...

I doubt you'll find a single point of doctrine that isn't disputed by some Christian group. Yes, I know, they aren't "True Christians™" but the fact is that they have exactly the same basis for their beliefs as you do for yours. That's why faith is not a reasonable basis for belief. It lets you believe literally anything.

OH FUN! I grew up in a missionary baptist household. I can't wait. (the immersion debate is strong in their sect), will we ever get some kind of consensus on what a "True Christian" is? (prolly not lol)

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15-03-2017, 08:46 PM
RE: Assumptions about a creator
People like physical you can do it if you want. We know that theirs god jesus and the holy spirit.
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15-03-2017, 08:56 PM
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(15-03-2017 08:46 PM)socialistview Wrote:  People like physical you can do it if you want. We know that theirs god jesus and the holy spirit.

Who are you responding to?

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15-03-2017, 09:01 PM
RE: Assumptions about a creator
(15-03-2017 08:56 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  
(15-03-2017 08:46 PM)socialistview Wrote:  People like physical you can do it if you want. We know that theirs god jesus and the holy spirit.

Who are you responding to?

See that little rectangle in the lower right corner with "Reply" written on it?

>.> I've pointed this out several times. I even went to the trouble of making a pretty picture guide to help. And I suck at drawing....

@SV Dude, pretty sure you used the wrong there's Wink also that sentence seems like word salad, I don't think even if you used reply to place it in context, that it would make sense.


I try not to be the grammar police, but if no one can figure out what the fuck you're saying.... well then we need to point it out.

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