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22-06-2012, 08:37 AM
Atheism
There is a difference between the notion that Atheism does not make any positive claims and the notion that Atheists are capable of making positive claims.

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22-06-2012, 08:41 AM
RE: Atheism
What would be a positive claim of atheism?
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22-06-2012, 08:50 AM
RE: Atheism
Never said there was one.

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22-06-2012, 09:02 AM
RE: Atheism
I understand the notion that atheists don't make a positive claim, but I am unsure of the second part. It's hard to discuss a vague subject. Just for the sake of argument, would "god does not exist" count as a positive claim in your opinion? I realize 'not' is a negative statement, but most theists would demand evidence. This form of hard atheism differs from agnostic atheism which posits that it's impossible to know of the existence of god.
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22-06-2012, 11:03 AM
RE: Atheism
Would "We believe in the non-existence of supernatural beings." work as a positive statement?
Usually God is defined by theists in such a way that it is physically impossible to prove the existence of a God. As atheists, the most we can do is to highlight why God is unnecessary in certain processes theists claim that God is necessary.

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22-06-2012, 11:17 AM
RE: Atheism
Here's a positive claim "I believe the universe behaves according to physical laws and so far we have only observed the universe changing according to those physical laws."

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22-06-2012, 11:29 AM
RE: Atheism
Oh, here we go. Ghost gets his tail tweaked in the other thread; now he comes over here with a whole wardrobe of red capes...

I don't agree with any of them notions. Big Grin

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22-06-2012, 12:02 PM
RE: Atheism
I don't think people are getting it. It said AtheisM and AtheisTS. AtheisM doesn't make positive claims. But an AtheiST can.

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22-06-2012, 12:11 PM
RE: Atheism
Atheism doesn't make any claims at all. It's a word. A word used to describe a persons lack of belief in a god. That's pretty much it. Am I missing something from a previous thread?

Atheists can make all sorts of claims both positive and negative. Because an atheist is but a human being (maybe other animals too, I haven't asked) I feel as though there is more to this thread.

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22-06-2012, 12:13 PM
RE: Atheism
I can't help but think "negative belief" is a cop-out. It's the same kinda theistic intellectual laziness. It's... the golden rule. Wink

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