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20-06-2012, 08:08 PM
Atheism Debunked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ8uXidvwM4

I really want to see how atheists squirm out of this one considering they now have to prove that chaos creates order and design and that 0+0 can equal one. I think we can officially say that logic and science favor God now considering the Goldilocks properties of the universe pointing to a universe which was purposely designed.

No opinions or theories please. I want to see actual scientific evidences defending atheism and the idea of nothing creating something (something which has been scientifically tested with no results...)
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20-06-2012, 08:26 PM
RE: Atheism Debunked
Nothing new to see here folks. Move along.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of Calvinism is that good Atheists do nothing." ~Eric Oh My
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20-06-2012, 08:34 PM (This post was last modified: 20-06-2012 08:39 PM by Thomas.)
RE: Atheism Debunked
Here's your answer:
There has never been "nothing". There has always been "something". There is no evidence that this "something" is god.
The energy of the universe has always existed in the same quantity as it does now and it will always exist in this same quantity.
Theism Debunked.
There is no god, just people who believe that there is based on ignorance and superstition.
Welcome to the forum. Please stick around and become informed.

Side note: Holy shit Erxomai. 5,156 posts from joining in Nov 2011? Do you live here? You're the posting freak of all time.

The old gods are dead, let's invent some new ones before something really bad happens.
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20-06-2012, 08:36 PM
RE: Atheism Debunked
Ex-Atheist, I think you're taking the wrong approach to this whole thing man.
Coming in here with your first post like you just cured aids isn't going to convince anyone... of anything.

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20-06-2012, 08:38 PM
RE: Atheism Debunked
Of course God is real, I got a recorded phone call from one of his minions earlier asking if I was going through tough times and said they would pray for me or with me or whatever, I hung up before the spiel was done.

What the hell was I thinking being all full of non-belief? God's got my cell number.

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20-06-2012, 08:40 PM
RE: Atheism Debunked
DRIVE BY!!! Everybody duck!!!

We will never see that user post again unless it's in the same fashion. Posting some inane, previously argued and refuted BS from AIG or some other creationist website and then not sticking around for the discussion. That video is classic strawman fallacy in action.
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20-06-2012, 08:41 PM
RE: Atheism Debunked
(20-06-2012 08:34 PM)Thomas Wrote:  Side note: Holy shit Erxomai. 5,156 posts from joining in Nov 2011? Do you live here? You're the posting freak of all time.
I don't get out much. Drinking Beverage

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20-06-2012, 08:41 PM
RE: Atheism Debunked
Welcome to the forum, nothing wrong with a direct right to the point attitude about how the evidence is now in my favor... yet that video is not

Likely it being you created that video.. I have to say there are several just base way over assumptions and false conclusions.

Around the 1:40 range: Your 0+0=0 statement is pointless. You even point to yourself that there is something in what normal people call nothing. You have no examples of what the nothing you purpose must of existed prior to that vacuum. Without a single bit of knowledge about any "nothing" we cannot possibly say a thing about it. There is no evidence to it having existed because all of the science we have now can just tell us, something of matter existed in a vacuum and created expansion.

Your other bits of: Logic stats. . . and This would mean. . . are not providing any actual information or argument. It's just making assertions based on your apparent understanding of these topics. These are not bases of knowledge that are absolutely true but you speak of them as they must be. The proofs that supposedly give evidence God must exist and trying to equate to the bible are not in the same topical realm and just as equally making leaps.

Evidence of prophecy is worthless when you understand how the bible was put together and written. If you do a quick look at videos, even good debates with religious bible scholars with Bart Ehrman, you can learn a lot about the origins of the New Testament Gospels. He also covers much of the Jesus "evidence" you speak of where in most of which, is forgery or merely a writing acknowledging that Christians existed at the times, mostly in the 100/200s and follow a religion that praises who they call Christ.

The best possible answers of any of this are probably all in Lawrence Krauss's recent book, "A Universe From Nothing." Since it is exactly about this topic.

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20-06-2012, 08:45 PM (This post was last modified: 01-10-2012 07:10 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Atheism Debunked
For the passing guest, (got this one on speed dial).

a. 1 + -1 still = 0. (Krauss : "A Universe From Nothing ). Physics 101-1 The equation 0 + 0 = 0, while true, is not the appropriate/accurate equation, in this case. (They are not the same thing). It might be more accurate if he /she had said 0 + 0 -> 0, however, that also is not an accurate mathematical representation. Then there is the "->" problem. See next.
b. Your god would have had to begin creation "before" spacetime, (meaningless).
c. The universe is not logically intuitive. (Relativity, Heisenberg, Dirac). Therefore one cannot presume logic is applicable.
d. Intelligence requires time.
e. The Anthropic Principle is debunked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlAx0t9uW...re=related ,
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...ndent-dice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUawGws4T...re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlD-CJPGt...re=related , see below, (Debzilla) "god of the gaps" .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtmbcfb_rdc , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYphAH2tK...re=related ,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt-UIfkcg...re=related , http://www.youtube.com/user/cdk007 , http://evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html , http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC148579/ , http://www.dnafiles.org/node/551 , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Models_of_DNA_evolution , http://www.evolutionfaq.com/articles/probability-life , http://www.evolutionfaq.com/articles/fiv...-evolution , http://www.evolutionfaq.com/videos/carl-sagan-evolution ,
http://www.evolutionfaq.com/videos/evolution-eye , http://video.pbs.org/video/1300397304 , http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/faq/ ,
http://www.dhbailey.com/papers/dhb-probability.pdf , http://www.science20.com/philosophical_s...nd_fallacy ,
http://www.science20.com/stars_planets_l...gin_chance , http://www.science20.com/science_20/evolution_evolution .
f. The fact that there may be some historical references to Jeebus and Yahweh in no way confirms the claims, in fact historical analysis debunks every bit of it. (See any of Bart Ehrman's tapes, videos, books).
g. The definition of prophecy, is not fortune telling, (except in Hollywood). (Why don't theists know anything about scripture ?) See Bultmann and Gunkel, or any conservative Bible scholar.
h. Which god ? Certainly not this one :



Here is a debunking, and education on the real scientific nature of the protein systhesis, and it's real probabilities:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHi6huBSIEo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqPGOhXoprU

More Creationist junk debunked :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwywMP4Sx...re=related

Sorry sweetie. Welcome to Middle School.

Dinosaurs got cancer. That means, BEFORE the fall, creation was imperfect. A perfect creator could or would have made perfect creatures.
http://www.livescience.com/4013-dinosaur...clues.html

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Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things" (KJV)

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20-06-2012, 08:58 PM
RE: Atheism Debunked
Just because we do not have all the answers of the universe does not therefore put a particular god in everything unexplainable at this time. Even if our universe was "created" by something, we can go on and on about what created that; mirrors in mirrors. And none of that discussion supports any god story; not Allah, or Yahweh, or Jesus, or Elohim, or Zeus,or Xenu, or the many African gods, or Hindu gods, or Native American gods, shall I go on? There is no evidence that the gods of any human mythology, past or current, have anything to do with the big bang, or what 0+0 equals, or why the Spurs lost this season.
Unless the god has a noodly appendage. Now we are talkin!

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