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28-07-2013, 05:25 PM
RE: Atheism Isn't Popular
How do they get this data?

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28-07-2013, 05:39 PM
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This is from the creator of the site.

Quote:Since launching, this has sparked up some discussion as to how it all works. Well, you can understand that I don’t want to disclose too much of the ‘algorithm’ of the site. However: basically it searches based on associative (so far just English) sentences. The given search term is used in these sentences which are then sent off to the various search engines, counting the amount of results returned. (Sentences are double quoted before they are sent off, so as to make sure the search-engines search for occurrences of the *whole* sentence).

This, of course, produces questionable results which should not be taken very seriously. However, the more results (hits) returned, the more reliable these results can become. Do a search for George Bush and then Barack Obama, and you’ll see that the internet is certainly not far off – or perhaps even in-sync – with the result you had in mind.

My advice would be to do 10 ‘obvious’ searches, of which you are almost certain of the results, based on your perception of general opinion (e.g. ‘beer’, ‘sex’, ‘sleeping’, etc.) and then do 10 less obvious searches. If the first 10 convince you of even the slightest accuracy, the second 10 will perhaps be not as random as you thought.

It does so by gathering search engine data.

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28-07-2013, 05:51 PM
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I wanna know how child porn, child molesters and murder aren't almost 100% negative. That alone shows either how stupid or how slanted the data is. I mean, what demographic is less than 99% positive about these issues?

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28-07-2013, 05:52 PM
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I can't believe I'm not popular!

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28-07-2013, 06:12 PM
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Good thing the existence (or lack there of) of God isn't determined by popularity.
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28-07-2013, 06:55 PM
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Atheists are assholes. 90% of you people are evidence of that...


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29-07-2013, 04:28 AM (This post was last modified: 29-07-2013 04:31 AM by Shannow.)
RE: Atheism Isn't Popular
(28-07-2013 05:39 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  It does so by gathering search engine data.

Yeah - and they won't share thier toys (the algorithim that mines the data)

hnldesign Wrote:I don’t want to disclose too much of the ‘algorithm’ of the site. However: basically it searches based on associative (so far just English) sentences. The given search term is used in these sentences which are then sent off to the various search engines, counting the amount of results returned. (Sentences are double quoted before they are sent off, so as to make sure the search-engines search for occurrences of the *whole* sentence).

The critical bit is what constitutes a 'positive' or 'negative' response. Few people are going to search something like "I love atheism", whereas lot's of people are probably going to search, "Why Allah is super." You have one search string that based on logic (atheism) and one search string that's based on emotion (religion).

They've also installed some woo about wisdom of crowds.

hnldesign Wrote:However, the more results (hits) returned, the more reliable these results can become.

Hmmm....that's fine when you're dealing with something that has a definitive answer, like 'guess how many marbles are in this jar". But Surowiecki (a major player in crowd theory) suggests that Wisdom of crowds breaks down when the outcome is emotional.

Some things that are based on emotions that highlight issues with the algorithm:

Cookies are 50% better than cakes (link)
Cake (singular) is 50% better than single cookie (link)
A single dog is 50% better than single cat (link)
A lot of cats is just 2% worse than a lot of dogs(link)
In other news, Ice Cream is 17% more popular than Jesus (link)
And bad news for mosque fans, peanuts are 95% more popular than mosques. (link)

Fun site though Smile

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29-07-2013, 05:46 AM
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(28-07-2013 02:30 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(28-07-2013 02:25 PM)cheapthrillseaker Wrote:  I'm not surprised - less atheists than theists on the internet. It's the internet after all; a fucked up representation of a fucked up world.

Take these statistics with a grain of salt, Cheap. They don't seem too terribly reliable, accurate, or even have large enough sample to properly gauge what the opinions of people are.

It's a good idea to be skeptical. The results aren't necessarily accurate, but they are objective. The method used to collect them isn't random. I wouldn't quote them as poll results, but they're not useless, either.

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29-07-2013, 05:55 AM
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Who needs theword when we got Starcrash? Angel

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29-07-2013, 06:09 AM
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(29-07-2013 05:46 AM)Starcrash Wrote:  It's a good idea to be skeptical. The results aren't necessarily accurate, but they are objective. The method used to collect them isn't random. I wouldn't quote them as poll results, but they're not useless, either.

Actually, to me they are entirely useless. They simply gather data on search engine queries. No algorithm can accurately gauge the context or the reasoning as to why the search query was made. The very fact that they won't disclose their data gathering methods in-depth is stupendously discreditable. It ignores too many factors and makes great assumptions. Accurate statistical investigations make the questions they asked and their method for information gathering publicly known. As I said, take this website and its percentiles with a grain of salt. A very, very, very tiny grain of salt.

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