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26-05-2015, 05:27 PM
Atheism and morality
(26-05-2015 05:26 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(26-05-2015 05:21 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  I assure you they are very straightforward.

Morality is a behavior that is acquired in a population as any other trait is, through evolution.

Your equivocating a bit here. Are you claiming that non-biological cultural traits, and biological traits develop and spread the same way? Are you peddling memetics here or something?

Culture is a biological trait. Culture exists only as a construct of biology. Not all species construct culture, but not all species have the same behaviors (like parental care or predation or swimming or conciseness, etc)

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26-05-2015, 05:27 PM
RE: Atheism and morality
(26-05-2015 05:26 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(26-05-2015 05:21 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  I assure you they are very straightforward.

Morality is a behavior that is acquired in a population as any other trait is, through evolution.

You're equivocating a bit here. Are you claiming that non-biological cultural traits, and biological traits develop and spread the same way? Are you peddling memetics here or something?

Wow you are still at this Bowing Tomasia, you need a spa day Tongue

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26-05-2015, 05:28 PM
RE: Atheism and morality
(26-05-2015 05:16 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  So is it equally true that "Religion is good because it can make you do good things, believing they are good"?

That the existence of evil, and an omnibenevolent God are not contradictions?

IMO it's absurd to suggest that any thing or action could be "good" or "evil".
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26-05-2015, 05:28 PM
Atheism and morality
Culture is a biological behavior that emerges from humans. It is a form of social behavior and other organisms also exhibit social behaviors.

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26-05-2015, 05:31 PM
Atheism and morality
It's more basal than memes even. It's behavior. Memes are a type of behavior.

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26-05-2015, 05:32 PM
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(26-05-2015 05:27 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Culture is a biological trait. Culture exists only as a construct of biology. Not all species construct culture, but not all species have the same behaviors (like parental care or predation or swimming or conciseness, etc)

I think your starting to venture into the pseudo-science territory. How is culture a biological trait? A person's cultural beliefs, and practices can change, while you're pretty much stuck with you genes.
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26-05-2015, 05:35 PM
Atheism and morality
(26-05-2015 05:32 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(26-05-2015 05:27 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Culture is a biological trait. Culture exists only as a construct of biology. Not all species construct culture, but not all species have the same behaviors (like parental care or predation or swimming or conciseness, etc)

I think your starting to venture into the pseudo-science territory. How is culture a biological trait? A person's cultural beliefs, and practices can change, while you're pretty much stuck with you genes.

You don't think culture is a behavior?

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26-05-2015, 05:35 PM
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You don't think behaviors are related to your genetics?

(I'll give you a hint, Dawkins is correct)

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26-05-2015, 05:36 PM
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(26-05-2015 05:26 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
Quote:He is asking why would you not come to the same conclusion if morality were subjective?

This is the question I asked

The He here asked:

"As an atheist, why would I not come to the same conclusion?"

Not all atheists subscribe to moral relativism/subjectivism, many subscribe to moral realism.
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26-05-2015, 05:37 PM
Atheism and morality
(26-05-2015 05:36 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(26-05-2015 05:26 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  This is the question I asked

The He here asked:

"As an atheist, why would I not come to the same conclusion?"

Not all atheists subscribe to moral relativism/subjectivism, many subscribe to moral realism.

My question applies to your answer that prompted his question.

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