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27-10-2016, 08:34 AM
RE: Atheism: false vs. True.
(26-10-2016 09:36 PM)theBorg Wrote:  
(18-10-2016 04:23 PM)Sirhu Wrote:  Recently, I've been debating with a theist and he presented 3 arguments that I found really interesting, and I would like to see if I could find a solution for them here. Huh ..............

It is not the crime to become the True Christian. The True Atheism is the rejection of all false gods. And that the Christianity does.

You can not kill a false god, if you keep saying "the science has not proven the True God, so, we decided not to believe in the True God." See: the surrounding false theists (including the false Christians) claim to know. So, they act as their mental idols (the real evil spirits in them) are commanding them. The mental idol of the false atheists is the absence of the True God, it commands them to ignore anything, what goes beyond the secularity. They can even become the members of the false churches: Flying Spaghetti Monster, (in USA) church of satan. See: to become a practicing pagan no faith is needed. But the paganism is sin.

The false christians do not follow in full the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the True Church of the Jesus Christ. A false church does contradict (at least in one aspect) the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Behold: the True Church:




Atheist: "You're in a nose dive and spinning out of control. Time to get back on your medications."
So much for the "openness" to evidence. Laugh out load.

Atheist: "Would you kindly name a religion in which the adherents think they are worshiping a false god?"
Here the true or false are in relation to the Objective Reality, not the wrong opinions.

Atheist: "What the hell would a false person be?"
Any false atheist is the true person. Be happy, friend! :-)

The True Christian is the "repenting sinner", who belongs to True Church. The false Christian does not belong to the True Church, but can make good deeds, receive the Grace, can think more or less correctly. The false Christian could escape the hell, but it is very risky to be a false of something: it looks like the impurity of the heart, it looks like hypocrisy.

Funny, I've never seen that definition of atheism anywhere? Are you ever going to stop borrowing, I mean stealing, from my atheistic philosophy when making your god claims?

I'd love for you to tell me just which of my philosophy's principles is false. You won't be able to, and that means that yours can't be true.

The true Human is the one who accepts reason as his only means of knowledge and his only guide to action. Anyone who rejects reason is acting on the sub-Human level.

Do not lose your knowledge that man's proper estate is an upright posture, an intransigent mind and a step that travels unlimited roads. - Ayn Rand.

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27-10-2016, 08:43 AM
RE: Atheism: false vs. True.
(27-10-2016 08:28 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Edit to Add: Oh, and they're aware of who actually wrote the books. Outsiders don't have to sit there, patiently explaining to them that no, Bilbo Baggins didn't actually write The Hobbit. Tongue

Next you'll probably be claiming that Ishmael didn't write Moby Dick even though it plainly says that he did.

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27-10-2016, 08:50 AM
RE: Atheism: false vs. True.
(27-10-2016 08:28 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(27-10-2016 06:04 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  This is almost exactly like Harry Potter fans and LotR fans arguing over True Fandom.

A minor quibble with an otherwise spot-on post:

It's not like Harry Potter and LotR fans arguing over True Fandom™ because those groups rate their fandom based on the absolute perfection of their knowledge of their holy books, and all of them have read and understood every word of their scriptures.

Nothing like True Christians™ at all. Undecided

Edit to Add: Oh, and they're aware of who actually wrote the books. Outsiders don't have to sit there, patiently explaining to them that no, Bilbo Baggins didn't actually write The Hobbit. Tongue


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27-10-2016, 09:02 AM
RE: Atheism: false vs. True.
(27-10-2016 05:21 AM)theBorg Wrote:  The True Christian is the "repenting sinner", who belongs to True Church.

Then there are no True Christians™ because there is no True Church™. All you have is different franchises of the Delusion of the Month Club.

(27-10-2016 06:23 AM)theBorg Wrote:  Look: the Catholicism says, what the Holy Fire is a fake. My Church says, what the Holy Fire is the great divine miracle.

Some church is definitely wrong.

I think Catholicism actually got something right for once. (In the long run, though, both churches are more wrong than right.)

(27-10-2016 06:18 AM)theBorg Wrote:  The goal: to help the Savior to save the butts.

A god that would require the likes of you to "save the butts" is so fucking useless that it simply is not worth worshipping.

Quote:I have two friends already: look the poll "are you theBorg's friend?"

You also have acquired considerably more enemies and have turned them away from your "Savior." If even one of us goes to hell, I think it's only fair that you come with us.

In fact, since I am your stated enemy and have already taken a vow to go to hell if it exists -- for the purpose of really rescuing people, regardless of what they believe -- I hereby designate you as one of My assistants. You will be assigned to the crew that carries people out of hell to a place of safety. Make sure you read up on safe lifting procedures, and go to the gym to work on your deadlifts. Wink
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27-10-2016, 09:05 AM
RE: Atheism: false vs. True.
(27-10-2016 08:34 AM)true scotsman Wrote:  ................
I'd love for you to tell me just which of my philosophy's principles is false. You won't be able to, and that means that yours can't be true.
..........

What?
Quote:You won't be able to

So sure as only True God can be sure?! And indeed, you are thinking about yourself very high:
Quote:For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Genesis 3:5 KJV

You think to be the Master. But I am slave. So, you can hardly hear me.
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27-10-2016, 09:08 AM
RE: Atheism: false vs. True.
(27-10-2016 09:02 AM)Astreja Wrote:  ...deadlifts

Bowing

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27-10-2016, 09:25 AM
RE: Atheism: false vs. True.
(27-10-2016 09:05 AM)theBorg Wrote:  Genesis 3:5 KJV

Ah. The King James Version of the bible. Compiled and translated by committee for the Church of England.

To quote Christopher Hitchens: "A church founded on the family values of King Henry VIII."

Truly the inspired word of god.

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27-10-2016, 09:27 AM
RE: Atheism: false vs. True.
I think it’s time for Cheesus to be our Savory.

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I mean, if we are going to constantly feed the troll, it might as well be cheese.

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27-10-2016, 09:31 AM
RE: Atheism: false vs. True.
Is it just me or is "Save the Butts" a pretty good name for a band? Or at least an album title.

And no, Borg, we don't think of ourselves as masters or you as a slave. We're all just people, even if one of us has cybernetic implants.

We hear you just fine. You just don't realize that you sound completely insane when you make statements like "True God", as if every other believer on the planet doesn't also think that their god is the True God™. Otherwise, none of them would be believers. This lack of self-awareness tells us that your ideas should be... how to put it nicely?... taken with a grain of salt.

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27-10-2016, 09:33 AM
RE: Atheism: false vs. True.
(27-10-2016 09:27 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  I think it’s time for Cheesus to be our Savory.

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I mean, if we are going to constantly feed the troll, it might as well be cheese.

I really don't think he's a troll. This is Poe's Law in action. You guys who weren't raised in fundamentalist churches have a hard time believing that a person can actually be this mind-blown and be serious about what they're saying. It's kindness on your parts, really, since you'd have to feel an intense amount of pity for such a person.

But I have been in his shoes, and said similar things, when I was one of them. I think he's for real.

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