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05-01-2015, 12:54 PM
RE: Atheism is a position with assumptions...
Just as a warning for those late to the party.

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05-01-2015, 12:55 PM
RE: Atheism is a position with assumptions...
(04-01-2015 11:25 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  
(04-01-2015 09:21 PM)Free Wrote:  You don't understand rationalization at all:

You made the following statement:


The process of rationalizing something implies that other options exist. For example, if a child gets poor grades in school it can be rationalized that the teacher was at fault, but the other options are numerous such as the kid was at fault, his parents were at fault etc.

Yet you admit that there are no other options to consider. Therefore, when there are no other options to consider then any kind of rationalization is not only absurd, but impossible and unnecessary.

The act of rationalizing in regards to a position held necessarily implies that the process of justifying the held position has an opposing position to consider.

Since you admit that there are no opposing positions to consider, then justifying the only available option is pointless and meaningless.

Since we have no other choice- since no other options exist- then the employment of philosophical naturalism is not subject to rationalization, reasoning, or justification.

Funny. The other option is we don't know, it's beyond our understanding and may always be this way. It's a better option than pleading to ignorance.

What EXACTLY is the difference between "we don't know" and "pleading to ignorance" ?

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05-01-2015, 12:57 PM
RE: Atheism is a position with assumptions...
(04-01-2015 10:13 PM)Free Wrote:  
(04-01-2015 10:09 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  It's very simple, don't defend a position you claim to not hold.

It's very simple; don't ask for rationalization on a state of being that has no other options.
Your version of rationalisation is different; often they maake rational sense and may even have some evidence.
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05-01-2015, 01:04 PM
RE: Atheism is a position with assumptions...
(05-01-2015 12:55 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(04-01-2015 11:25 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  Funny. The other option is we don't know, it's beyond our understanding and may always be this way. It's a better option than pleading to ignorance.

What EXACTLY is the difference between "we don't know" and "pleading to ignorance" ?

My bad, i meant appeal to ignorance.
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05-01-2015, 01:06 PM
RE: Atheism is a position with assumptions...
(05-01-2015 12:54 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Just as a warning for those late to the party.

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Are you mad as i dont believe your bollocks?
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05-01-2015, 01:46 PM
RE: Atheism is a position with assumptions...
(05-01-2015 12:57 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  
(04-01-2015 10:13 PM)Free Wrote:  It's very simple; don't ask for rationalization on a state of being that has no other options.
Your version of rationalisation is different; often they maake rational sense and may even have some evidence.

My version of rationalization? Mine? I have no fucking "version," idiot.


Your issue is with the use of natural philosophy. In relation to this discussion, here is the definition of rationalize:

a : to substitute a natural for a supernatural explanation of <rationalize a myth>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rationalize

Since you agree there are no other options such as a supernatural explanation, what then do we substitute it with?

Since you have admited that there are no other options other than naturalism, then the following question to you requires an answer:

How the fuck do we rationalize/justify/reason that naturalism is the "best option" when it is in fact the only option?

How can anyone become an atheist when we are all born with no beliefs in the first place? We are atheists because we were born this way.
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05-01-2015, 02:11 PM
RE: Atheism is a position with assumptions...
Lol very easily, you don't.

Naturalism is the only position which focuses soley on evidence and it fails its own requirements.
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05-01-2015, 02:17 PM
RE: Atheism is a position with assumptions...
(05-01-2015 02:11 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  Lol very easily, you don't.

Naturalism is the only position which focuses soley on evidence and it fails its own requirements.

Well then "genius," how could you be so stupid in your OP to ask the following question:

Quote:Is anyone who holds this position able to rationalise it beyond the standard canned arguments, which convince only the converted?

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...#pid710334

If it is not capable of being rationalized, then what the fuck are you doing here?

How can anyone become an atheist when we are all born with no beliefs in the first place? We are atheists because we were born this way.
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05-01-2015, 02:20 PM
RE: Atheism is a position with assumptions...
(05-01-2015 02:17 PM)Free Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 02:11 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  Lol very easily, you don't.

Naturalism is the only position which focuses soley on evidence and it fails its own requirements.

Well then "genius," how could you be so stupid in your OP to ask the following question:

Quote:Is anyone who holds this position able to rationalise it beyond the standard canned arguments, which convince only the converted?

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...#pid710334

If it is not capable of being rationalized, then what the fuck are you doing here?

So a rational approach to answering questions is better than any other approach. <\ end thread >

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
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05-01-2015, 02:44 PM
RE: Atheism is a position with assumptions...
(05-01-2015 02:17 PM)Free Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 02:11 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  Lol very easily, you don't.

Naturalism is the only position which focuses soley on evidence and it fails its own requirements.

Well then "genius," how could you be so stupid in your OP to ask the following question:

Quote:Is anyone who holds this position able to rationalise it beyond the standard canned arguments, which convince only the converted?

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...#pid710334

If it is not capable of being rationalized, then what the fuck are you doing here?

To be fair to you didn't use the canned arguments, you used your own type of bat shit crazy rationale.

I'm laughing at you trying to rationalise it.
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