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30-12-2014, 11:04 PM
RE: Atheism is a position with assumptions...
(30-12-2014 10:54 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  I agree to an extent, however, without evidence nothing becomes more plausible unless you make assumptions...

Again, so what? Science has shown the things it has shown. Everything else is unknown for now, maybe forever. This says nothing about atheists, atheism, or even science. I try to make as few assumptions as possible. I assume that what my senses are presenting to me in a vague fashion correlates with reality. It isn't perfect, and neither are my conception of and ability to understand that reality, but I see no reason not to move forward as if my perceptions of reality are at least close, especially when there is a high level of coroboroation that this is the case, both in my personal experience and in the experiences of others. Since those (my experience and that of others) represent the only data points I will ever have on any subject ever, I may as well work with what I have since anything else is a waste of thought, time, and effort that could be better spent. On porn (the reason the net exists, after all).
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30-12-2014, 11:10 PM
RE: Atheism is a position with assumptions...
(30-12-2014 08:23 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  Despite my "lack of belief" I do not consider myself to be an atheist.

Fine by me. You can self-identify any way you like. No skin off my knees.

Quote:I don't dwell on lacking belief in any theist claims, why would I bother.

Many don't. Congrats! So why do you bother coming here and carrying on? Did a pair of atheists knock on your door this morning?

Quote:I also don't assume science will answer the question of existence

Why would you assume that it's a question. Existence is a fact. Questions about meanings and purposes are silly shit our brains have evolved to incorrectly attach to certain concepts.

Quote:nor look to it to guide my philosophy on anything.

Good for you. Since you aren't going to use science, kindly turn off your computer, get off the internet on get busy dying in a drafty cave of some easily prevented disease.

Quote:What is proven, or not falsified holds no sway on defining my position.

Go stick your tongue in a light socket. It's been proven to have a fair kick by this funny theory called electromagnetism but you don't give a damn about that.

Quote:Those who do seem use science are addressing creationists

Say what?!?

Quote:and then take it that step further and assume that existence will be accounted for by science.(i.e philosophical naturalism).

Sorry, you want philosophy. That's in the Arts department. They're big on existence over there. Go pitch a wobbly at them.

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30-12-2014, 11:26 PM
RE: Atheism is a position with assumptions...
(30-12-2014 08:23 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  Despite my "lack of belief" I do not consider myself to be an atheist.

You can call yourself anything you want, does not mean its gonna be true. Your an atheist. Get over it.


Quote:I don't dwell on lacking belief in any theist claims, why would I bother.
OK, good for you I guess. Do whatever you want, I really do not fucking care!

Quote:I also don't assume science will answer the question of existence,

OK, you are a pessimist when it comes to the future of science. That's OK, some scientists might agree that science may not be able to answer everything in the entire universe and others who are more like me and more positive think the other way. What's your point? Are you assuming that all atheists think science is the end all be all of answers to the universe? If so, your wrong.

Quote:nor look to it to guide my philosophy on anything.
Science has nothing to do with philosophy. Why did you write this?

Quote:Those who do seem use science are addressing creationists and then take it that step further and assume that existence will be accounted for by science.(i.e philosophical naturalism). This is an assumption with no basis beyond assumption.
Are you trying to say that science discovering our origins? We have almost pretty much done that already. There is no assumption. You clearly know nothing about what your talking about.


Quote: Is anyone who holds this position able to rationalize it beyond the standard canned arguments, which convince only the converted?

This sentence does nto make much sense. You need to learn how to write more clearly so that people can understand what you are trying to say.

Also, use spell check.


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31-12-2014, 02:21 AM
RE: Atheism is a position with assumptions...
(30-12-2014 09:14 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  Evolution discounts creationism, nothing more. Without the ability to account for cause and affects basing a view on what we cannot account for doesn't say much does it?
Evolution doesn't discount creationism.

Evolution is a theory that matches the scientifically understood evidences to date. Evolution is useful in understanding many things, such as how the eye developed, how bacteria becomes immune to our medicine, how come whales and dolphins breath air through lungs and paddle their tales vertically rather than horizontally, how come genetic diseases are common in descendants etc. How some forms of cancer are hereditary and how this can be addressed. Evolution is fascinating but it has no focus on creationism and it does not attempt to prove creationism wrong.

Charles Darwin was a creationist Christian believing that God created the animals fully intact birds with beaks and wings etc. He did not set out to disprove his own religious beliefs.
It was the evidence that proved that Creationism was not a viable option to Darwin. Darwin shed his beliefs in lieu of the evidence and developed the idea of evolution. It was the evidence that lead to the ideas of evolution and the ongoing evidence which allowed the idea of evolution to be promoted to a fully fledged scientific theory.
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31-12-2014, 03:52 AM
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(30-12-2014 10:54 PM)Jack_Ripper Wrote:  Doesn't brown shirt refer to the Nazi Party. Are you a Nazi atheist?

Are you a 19th century serial killer, who murders prostitutes in the East End of London.
Did you really only have 5 victims, why did you spell Juwes incorrectly? Was that really you? Were you a royal with syphilis?
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31-12-2014, 03:54 AM
RE: Atheism is a position with assumptions...
(30-12-2014 10:55 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  
(30-12-2014 10:50 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  Don't have one, just my own views. I haven't read a few books and decided some basic analogies involving Shakespeare making planes are sufficient for me to pay for Dawkins retirement home in Florida.

Some, who perhaps haven't thought about it much think the guys a philosophical genius. I think it's a sad reflection on how bite sized chunks of bullshit are so easily consumed.

You don't like Dawkins? Fine. I personally think he can be a bit of an arrogant prat.

What's that got to do with the price of cheese?

My dislike of his arrogance is irrelevant, it's that his poorly composed analogies and philosophy influence a growing religion of atheism.

Hurray just what we need another line of correct thought.
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31-12-2014, 03:56 AM
RE: Atheism is a position with assumptions...
(30-12-2014 11:04 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  
(30-12-2014 09:14 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  Evolution discounts creationism, nothing more.

Evolution is a very functional and working bit of theory though, wouldn't you say.

Sure but it means nothing to me when considering this topic.

(30-12-2014 09:14 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  Without the ability to account for cause and affects

Accounting for 'cause and effect'? That's physics, isn't it? Consider

Yes

(30-12-2014 09:14 PM)Brownshirt Wrote:  Basing a view on what we cannot account for doesn't say much does it?

Which view are people basing things on? Hence, what and why should/must it account for anything?

Much cheers to all.

The lack of evidence for one position, doesn't give another position without any evidence as well, any more credibility.
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31-12-2014, 04:03 AM
RE: Atheism is a position with assumptions...
(30-12-2014 11:10 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  Good for you. Since you aren't going to use science, kindly turn off your computer, get off the internet on get busy dying in a drafty cave of some easily prevented disease.

Go stick your tongue in a light socket. It's been proven to have a fair kick by this funny theory called electromagnetism but you don't give a damn about that.


This is one of weakest arguments regularly used by you lot. It would be funny if you didn't believe it to be true. Science has no information relevant to offer here. Just because it does in other areas, doesn't make it so here. Keep pushing that angle though, it's actually quite funny how an indoctrinated group offer the same canned retorts. It show there's no doctrine at all eh?

Quote:and then take it that step further and assume that existence will be accounted for by science.(i.e philosophical naturalism).

Quote:Sorry, you want philosophy. That's in the Arts department. They're big on existence over there. Go pitch a wobbly at them.

You try to imply that science offers all solutions, even to things which it doesn't or potentially. That my slow friend, is philosophy.
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31-12-2014, 04:18 AM
RE: Atheism is a position with assumptions...
(31-12-2014 03:56 AM)Brownshirt Wrote:  
(30-12-2014 11:04 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  Evolution is a very functional and working bit of theory though, wouldn't you say.

Sure but it means nothing to me when considering this topic.


Accounting for 'cause and effect'? That's physics, isn't it? Consider

Yes


Which view are people basing things on? Hence, what and why should/must it account for anything?

Much cheers to all.

The lack of evidence for one position, doesn't give another position without any evidence as well, any more credibility.

Oh, please regale us with your understanding of the null hypothesis. I'm sure we're all just dying for your no doubt enlightened perspective... Drinking Beverage

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31-12-2014, 04:58 AM
RE: Atheism is a position with assumptions...
(31-12-2014 03:56 AM)Brownshirt Wrote:  The lack of evidence for one position, doesn't give another position without any evidence as well, any more credibility.

Wait?

What are the positions?

Atheism is not a 'position'. It's a statement.

The descriptions of the gods, as given, do not match what we know about reality. It's kind of as simple as that. Hence, they and the claims made about such gods would seem to be bunk.

Unless people actually have some evidence... then people get to accept the evidence etc.

I'm also kind of missing how evolution got dragged into some discussion about 'Position', since it's a theory and all.

Much cheers to all.
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