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30-10-2011, 04:53 PM (This post was last modified: 01-11-2011 12:07 PM by houseofcantor.)
Atheist Morality
You know The Amazing Atheist? Here, scope this vid:





It's 28 minutes. If you think 28 minutes is too long to understand how to save the human race from destruction, then I really ain't got time for you.

I need atheists. I need scientists. Because I cannot be wrong. When one cannot be wrong. One uses science.

Can you be one?

TJ says morality is control. TJ says control can be traced to bacteria. TJ doesn't want control. TJ wants anarchy.

We take all. That is the proper structure of the trinity.
Zero-state morality. You take control.

Yeah, I have absolute certainty. The rest of you got some work to do. Find the science. Everything in that video leads to truth. Now understand this truth:

I am evil. Zero. Now start! Don't lemme catch you looking back...

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01-11-2011, 07:02 AM
RE: Atheist Morality
Well I'm not a scientist but if you need people to man the front lines...yo.

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01-11-2011, 12:07 PM
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Me and you, Hamata K. Big Grin

But it does seem that morality is hard-wired basic evolved functionality for choice and judgement. That morality exists in all, but the lack of a universal moral standard is that no one previously considered zero-state. Now we're cooking with gas. Tongue

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01-11-2011, 01:37 PM
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Yep. "Morality" is definitely a control we can do without. It's little more than a construct and shallow justification for anything we fearfully do not want to take responsibility for.
In that sense, it's no different than "religion" or a "God" or a ruler outside the self. As for our species … I think this point in history is revealing an evolutionary adaptation to the non-necessity of "morality". And I think it does run the fine line of zero between the extremes of a Dawkins and a Pat Robertson.
Don't get me wrong… I think we need Dawkins and Harris for a balancing out; I can't say enough about those whom I consider "old guard". And I may not see it become a social norm in my lifetime, but I would at least like what might now be referred to as "morality", to be solely an individual constraint. For many, that would be a huge step forward.
Heart Anarchy of the soul. I'm up for it. Smile

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01-11-2011, 03:30 PM (This post was last modified: 01-11-2011 03:34 PM by houseofcantor.)
RE: Atheist Morality
(01-11-2011 01:37 PM)kim Wrote:  Yep. "Morality" is definitely a control we can do without. It's little more than a construct and shallow justification for anything we fearfully do not want to take responsibility for.
In that sense, it's no different than "religion" or a "God" or a ruler outside the self. As for our species … I think this point in history is revealing an evolutionary adaptation to the non-necessity of "morality". And I think it does run the fine line of zero between the extremes of a Dawkins and a Pat Robertson.
Don't get me wrong… I think we need Dawkins and Harris for a balancing out; I can't say enough about those whom I consider "old guard". And I may not see it become a social norm in my lifetime, but I would at least like what might now be referred to as "morality", to be solely an individual constraint. For many, that would be a huge step forward.
Heart Anarchy of the soul. I'm up for it. Smile

But if "morality" is extant control structure hard-wired in all life - we fucked thinking it's something we can do without. Much better to think it is something we can redefine.

Oh, and technocratic anarchy is globalization envisioned by this unit. Big Grin
(01-11-2011 01:37 PM)kim Wrote:  And I may not see it become a social norm in my lifetime, but I would at least like what might now be referred to as "morality", to be solely an individual constraint. For many, that would be a huge step forward.
Heart Anarchy of the soul. I'm up for it. Smile

I have zero reason to consider it is anything else. Ethical standard derives from individual moralities - and some individuals have been less than moral in devising extant ethical standards.

"Shit happens" is apathy. Shoveling shit into the lime pit - i be manning that shovel. Big Grin

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01-11-2011, 04:48 PM (This post was last modified: 01-11-2011 04:51 PM by Mr Woof.)
RE: Atheist Morality
(30-10-2011 04:53 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  You know The Amazing Atheist? Here, scope this vid:





It's 28 minutes. If you think 28 minutes is too long to understand how to save the human race from destruction, then I really ain't got time for you.

I need atheists. I need scientists. Because I cannot be wrong. When one cannot be wrong. One uses science.

Can you be one?

TJ says morality is control. TJ says control can be traced to bacteria. TJ doesn't want control. TJ wants anarchy.

We take all. That is the proper structure of the trinity.
Zero-state morality. You take control.

Yeah, I have absolute certainty. The rest of you got some work to do. Find the science. Everything in that video leads to truth. Now understand this truth:

I am evil. Zero. Now start! Don't lemme catch you looking back...
I would suggest thart science can be quite wrong; not only in its processes but also in its applications. Essentially,taking an extreme point, scientific discoveries are as good as tomorrow, with their use by date an unknown.

Regarding bacteria, well a colony might be preferable to our scenario in some ways.

As for a morality of sorts base on empathy (in very short supply) it all sounds like a massive task. At least Sam Harris is showing an interest.

Is greed the most essential part of our genetic make up and if so is this intrinsic part of us somehow lacking in anarchists? Would the anarchists become entrepreneurs or share farmers? Can the marchers (even if 'genuine'?) over come the military might of our puppet masters?

While we are evil we need 'good' in order to contrast that evil and ascend beyond our base instincts and egocentricity, for the good of us and everyone.

People playing the game of reality with no real cards in their hands" R.D. LAING

Like lunatics we have been institutionalised by religion, monarchies, feudalism, socialism, fascism and capitalism and someone has hidden the keys to the asylum.
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01-11-2011, 05:41 PM
RE: Atheist Morality
(01-11-2011 04:48 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  At least Sam Harris is showing an interest.

I fricking love Sam Harris - in a non-sexual context. Big Grin

But everything he knows is contrasted by a single word: Faith. Yes, some words have intrinsic meaning, and getting those words incorrect is enough of a reef to rip the bottom out of your ship. The clipper I love my Gwynnies is still tall and proud. It seems my conceptual engineering is more advanced than Dawkins memetics due to a single chaotic influence - Gwyneth Paltrow. Yeah, predict that chaos in the lab, I double-dog dare ya! Big Grin

Fuck greed. I don't have that crap. Even better, it seems, i am without malice. Thus zero-state morality contains but one essential moral paradigm - I love.

And I remain convinced, that while science is not perfect, it is the methodology of reality - and it will converge towards my type of moral understanding (my wording is not nearly as superfly as my "being the word," others may word it better).

I'm thinking... Big Grin

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