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06-02-2017, 04:51 PM
RE: Atheist but not an Anti-Theist
(06-02-2017 02:15 PM)Thatconservativeatheist Wrote:  
(06-02-2017 12:48 PM)julep Wrote:  Where'd you get your medical degree?

I'm assuming that's sarcasm. I don't have one but again I'm not ruler of the world.

You said in one post that you'd taken medical classes, so it was not a completely sarcastic question. Maybe 15% serious. However, if you don't have a medical degree, why do you feel so confident about implying that non-BC applications for these medicines are bullshit?

(I also think your objections to BC and reproductive services being part of normal healthcare maintenance are myopic and the opposite of pragmatic. It's far cheaper to the taxpayer and the health insurance customer to fund effective, easily available birth control (both for disease/pregnancy prevention and termination). Even if it means making life easier for those awful sluts who can't keep their legs shut...and the married women who want only as many children as they can afford to care for but would still like to have sex with their husbands whenever the mood strikes..and the 4% of rape victims who become pregnant from the rape...and the 12-year-olds who aren't allowed to say no to daddy. Etc., etc., etc.

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06-02-2017, 05:11 PM
RE: Atheist but not an Anti-Theist
(06-02-2017 04:51 PM)julep Wrote:  
(06-02-2017 02:15 PM)Thatconservativeatheist Wrote:  I'm assuming that's sarcasm. I don't have one but again I'm not ruler of the world.

You said in one post that you'd taken medical classes, so it was not a completely sarcastic question. Maybe 15% serious. However, if you don't have a medical degree, why do you feel so confident about implying that non-BC applications for these medicines are bullshit?

(I also think your objections to BC and reproductive services being part of normal healthcare maintenance are myopic and the opposite of pragmatic. It's far cheaper to the taxpayer and the health insurance customer to fund effective, easily available birth control (both for disease/pregnancy prevention and termination). Even if it means making life easier for those awful sluts who can't keep their legs shut...and the married women who want only as many children as they can afford to care for but would still like to have sex with their husbands whenever the mood strikes..and the 4% of rape victims who become pregnant from the rape...and the 12-year-olds who aren't allowed to say no to daddy. Etc., etc., etc.

We extend coverage to the deserving and the less deserving for the simple pragmatic reason that the cost of NOT covering is too high.

This was a mistake. They deserve what they get. I'm out.
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06-02-2017, 06:12 PM
RE: Atheist but not an Anti-Theist
Wow. Poor thing.

I hope that, when enough Americans get sick of getting fleeced by selfish billionaires that we eventually get a full-spectrum healthcare system like the rest of the world has so she no longer suffers from lack of insurance, she gets the psychological help she needs. Sad

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06-02-2017, 07:27 PM
RE: Atheist but not an Anti-Theist
(06-02-2017 05:11 PM)Thatconservativeatheist Wrote:  
(06-02-2017 04:51 PM)julep Wrote:  You said in one post that you'd taken medical classes, so it was not a completely sarcastic question. Maybe 15% serious. However, if you don't have a medical degree, why do you feel so confident about implying that non-BC applications for these medicines are bullshit?

(I also think your objections to BC and reproductive services being part of normal healthcare maintenance are myopic and the opposite of pragmatic. It's far cheaper to the taxpayer and the health insurance customer to fund effective, easily available birth control (both for disease/pregnancy prevention and termination). Even if it means making life easier for those awful sluts who can't keep their legs shut...and the married women who want only as many children as they can afford to care for but would still like to have sex with their husbands whenever the mood strikes..and the 4% of rape victims who become pregnant from the rape...and the 12-year-olds who aren't allowed to say no to daddy. Etc., etc., etc.

We extend coverage to the deserving and the less deserving for the simple pragmatic reason that the cost of NOT covering is too high.

This was a mistake. They deserve what they get. I'm out.

Victims of rape or incest deserve what they get?

Go fuck yourself, you disgusting piece of shit.

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07-02-2017, 01:35 AM
RE: Atheist but not an Anti-Theist
(06-02-2017 05:11 PM)Thatconservativeatheist Wrote:  
(06-02-2017 04:51 PM)julep Wrote:  You said in one post that you'd taken medical classes, so it was not a completely sarcastic question. Maybe 15% serious. However, if you don't have a medical degree, why do you feel so confident about implying that non-BC applications for these medicines are bullshit?

(I also think your objections to BC and reproductive services being part of normal healthcare maintenance are myopic and the opposite of pragmatic. It's far cheaper to the taxpayer and the health insurance customer to fund effective, easily available birth control (both for disease/pregnancy prevention and termination). Even if it means making life easier for those awful sluts who can't keep their legs shut...and the married women who want only as many children as they can afford to care for but would still like to have sex with their husbands whenever the mood strikes..and the 4% of rape victims who become pregnant from the rape...and the 12-year-olds who aren't allowed to say no to daddy. Etc., etc., etc.

We extend coverage to the deserving and the less deserving for the simple pragmatic reason that the cost of NOT covering is too high.

This was a mistake. They deserve what they get. I'm out.

Another disgusting human being supporting Trump. Starting to see a trend here.

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08-02-2017, 08:28 AM (This post was last modified: 08-02-2017 08:31 AM by RocketSurgeon76.)
RE: Atheist but not an Anti-Theist
(07-02-2017 01:35 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  
(06-02-2017 05:11 PM)Thatconservativeatheist Wrote:  This was a mistake. They deserve what they get. I'm out.

Another disgusting human being supporting Trump. Starting to see a trend here.

I don't know if I'd call it a trend. Most people who support Trump, or conservative causes in general, are not such scumbags. It's one of the reasons that, as Kyle Kulinski of Secular Talk so often points out, surveys that take conservative/liberal labels off of questions (or phrase them in a way that makes it less obvious which "side" it's supposed to be supporting) overwhelmingly find that Americans agree on most points. Unfortunately, our system has been corrupted by corporate interests on both sides of the aisle such that we exclude the middle ground people (who don't operate on that same tribal mentality) and highlight the two extremes as if they represent their entire half of the bell-curve. The corporate-backed media make more money by encouraging the extremes, for one thing.

It's interesting that, in this "movement" of selfishness and fearmongering that is now being mislabeled conservatism, many people who would in a heartbeat try to sneer at the hardcore SJWs (and other leftist extremists) as if that's now synonymous with Liberal (because that's the narrative being peddled) would also be deeply offended if we tried to compare them to this type of psychopathy/sociopathy as indicative of the philosophy of conservatism. That's why I was so careful to point out that her positions were not actually conservative ones, at all, but things she had been taught to associate with "her tribe" of pseudo-conservatism.

In this bizarro ideological era of Trumpthink being pushed by those sensationalist for-profit media outlets who benefit from encouraging extremes (and the resulting Trump ascendency), these formerly marginalized psychos are coming out of the woodwork, making it seem like this is the new normal.

I'm deeply hopeful that it will (as it seems to be doing) continue to disgust regular Americans who were fooled/placated by the rhetoric and propaganda into seeing what these people really are, and we can put America's fascist potential to bed for another couple of generations. The question becomes how much damage can these psychos do to our nation before they're ejected on their butts? How many of the safety valves and balancing/precautionary procedures can they erode, and what will remain in the wake of such unfettering of the predatory aspects of our capitalist system?

I'm deeply fearful to find out. Depending on the day of the week, I may be more fearful than hopeful. Confused

Holding each other like ransom notes
Dropping our hearts to grip our brother's throat
You can't see because you don't know
You're caught below, beneath your own shadow
Stuck inside, half alive
Do you ever stop to ask yourself why?
Close your mind, identify
Do you feel, do you feel?
Do you call this a life?
All you waited for
Drowning just to keep score
We always start with good intentions
But lose ourselves along the way.


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08-02-2017, 08:34 AM
RE: Atheist but not an Anti-Theist
(05-02-2017 03:14 PM)Thatconservativeatheist Wrote:  Well in the christian sense anyway. I view Islam as being a much greater threat.

I've come to the realization that some my disconnect is due to my not being an anti-theist. While I can certainly understand why people are lead down that path my own experiences have (luckily) been with non pushy Christians. Apparently the fact that I was always thought to be an Atheist or a Mormon seemed to keep them away for some reason.As I have always been at least agnostic religious things haven't really changed for me.There is no catalyst, well I was an uber liberal socialist at one point but that's another ball of wax.

I have no issue with "Under God" being in the pledge or on the money or religious prayers in public. I tend to focus on more economic issues anyway with social issues being further down the list of priorities. I do think having people focus primary on different areas has its own benefits.

For those that were religious and are Anti-Theist did your deconversion become a catalyst to an Anti-theist position? Your experiences as a religious person?

For those who were never religious did you have a catalyst? Was it emotional or intellectual?

Because of my Alexithymia (emotion blindness) and my Non verbal learning disability (NVLD)emotions tend to be viewed as intellectual concepts and not something people physically feel. Basically I have intellectual empathy and not emotional empathy.

My atheism has nothing to do with my anti-religion/anti-theism opinions. The more I learned about religion and the more I saw religion trying to inject itself into politics and science, the more I began to dislike it.

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08-02-2017, 09:09 AM (This post was last modified: 08-02-2017 09:13 AM by Szuchow.)
RE: Atheist but not an Anti-Theist
(08-02-2017 08:28 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(07-02-2017 01:35 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  Another disgusting human being supporting Trump. Starting to see a trend here.

I don't know if I'd call it a trend. Most people who support Trump, or conservative causes in general, are not such scumbags. It's one of the reasons that, as Kyle Kulinski of Secular Talk so often points out, surveys that take conservative/liberal labels off of questions (or phrase them in a way that makes it less obvious which "side" it's supposed to be supporting) overwhelmingly find that Americans agree on most points. Unfortunately, our system has been corrupted by corporate interests on both sides of the aisle such that we exclude the middle ground people (who don't operate on that same tribal mentality) and highlight the two extremes as if they represent their entire half of the bell-curve. The corporate-backed media make more money by encouraging the extremes, for one thing.

It's interesting that, in this "movement" of selfishness and fearmongering that is now being mislabeled conservatism, many people who would in a heartbeat try to sneer at the hardcore SJWs (and other leftist extremists) as if that's now synonymous with Liberal (because that's the narrative being peddled) would also be deeply offended if we tried to compare them to this type of psychopathy/sociopathy as indicative of the philosophy of conservatism. That's why I was so careful to point out that her positions were not actually conservative ones, at all, but things she had been taught to associate with "her tribe" of pseudo-conservatism.

In this bizarro ideological era of Trumpthink being pushed by those sensationalist for-profit media outlets who benefit from encouraging extremes (and the resulting Trump ascendency), these formerly marginalized psychos are coming out of the woodwork, making it seem like this is the new normal.

I'm deeply hopeful that it will (as it seems to be doing) continue to disgust regular Americans who were fooled/placated by the rhetoric and propaganda into seeing what these people really are, and we can put America's fascist potential to bed for another couple of generations. The question becomes how much damage can these psychos do to our nation before they're ejected on their butts? How many of the safety valves and balancing/precautionary procedures can they erode, and what will remain in the wake of such unfettering of the predatory aspects of our capitalist system?

I'm deeply fearful to find out. Depending on the day of the week, I may be more fearful than hopeful. Confused

Holding each other like ransom notes
Dropping our hearts to grip our brother's throat
You can't see because you don't know
You're caught below, beneath your own shadow
Stuck inside, half alive
Do you ever stop to ask yourself why?
Close your mind, identify
Do you feel, do you feel?
Do you call this a life?
All you waited for
Drowning just to keep score
We always start with good intentions
But lose ourselves along the way.


- "This is the Time" by Nothing More

Speaking about trend might have been premature, but frequency is still alarming I would say.

It's just nonsense like that is reminding me of Poland when one can hear shit like "if bitch wouldn't give then dog would not take" in regard to rape, just like this type of rhetoric's is reminding me of polish political scene and idiocy of voters. Comment like this wouldn't be out of place in mouth of some more disgusting L&J supporter and I much doubt that it would be opposed by others. Seems like I made equivalence between two countries.

As for damage it's already done - clown being president is bad precedent. We have such authoritarian clowns in power and future does not look bright with gov trying to make courts subservient to it.

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