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16-02-2015, 06:12 PM (This post was last modified: 16-02-2015 07:20 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Atheist hypocrisy and obsession questions
I have no problem with Rand McNally as they and I completely agree. Your silly attempt to make an issue of nothing just makes you the latest in a VERY long line of wackos who frequent TTA (for some strange reason) ... usually it turns out they've been banned from elsewhere. Look at the universe. Do you see the Earth. There is no planet Earth that you see. Earth is a reification. THAT is your idiotic line of reasoning.

Now run along outside and play. The adults have better things to do than argue with (yet another) fool.

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16-02-2015, 06:19 PM
RE: Atheist hypocrisy and obsession questions
(16-02-2015 12:58 PM)Anti Wrote:  
(16-02-2015 12:49 PM)Chas Wrote:  How is that relevant?

Poor Chas, what are we going to do with you? I understand you don't want it to be relevant because it makes most of you guys look silly but thats how it works out sometimes.

No, seriously, the representation of a thing is not the thing. The map is not the terrain, the line is not the border.

And stick your childish condescension up your narrow ass. Drinking Beverage

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16-02-2015, 08:06 PM
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(16-02-2015 12:47 PM)Anti Wrote:  Hey Bucky,
This is from map maker Rand McNally:

On physical maps, it is the physical features that stand out. These features include land elevations, mountain ranges, valleys, plains, and bodies of water such as rivers, lakes, seas, and oceans.

Political maps emphasize political features. Political, in this sense, means specifically, boundaries and names of political units such as countries, states, and provinces, and the capitals of these units.

Even Rand McNally points out this simple fact that is so difficult for some of you guys to understand.

Is this supposed to a definition of country? If so, please provide a link so I can verify that this is how Rand McNally has defined it. If not, then exactly what is your point?

@DonaldTrump, Patriotism is not honoring your flag no matter what your country/leader does. It's doing whatever it takes to make your country the best it can be as long as its not violent.
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16-02-2015, 08:07 PM (This post was last modified: 16-02-2015 08:12 PM by Impulse.)
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@DonaldTrump, Patriotism is not honoring your flag no matter what your country/leader does. It's doing whatever it takes to make your country the best it can be as long as its not violent.
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16-02-2015, 08:54 PM
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Additionally borders and countries/nations are objectively present - Just try crossing the border without a passport and come tell me countries aren't real.

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16-02-2015, 09:17 PM
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This might be the worst argument yet.
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16-02-2015, 09:52 PM
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(16-02-2015 05:54 PM)Anti Wrote:  Here is a double checkmate to go along with Rand McNally.... check out this satellite image of earth. All you see is land and water. Thats it. Those white lines you sometimes see that they call 'borders' are make believe. Just some white dudes made those lines up. Thats the facts, and just because men with guns are being paid to pretend those imaginary lines are real does not make them real. It just makes those people who believe they are real... delusional. Forced reification is still religion.

Why are you complaining to atheists about this? Shouldn't you be taking your "forced reification" whining to the politicians and country leaders? Consider

"double checkmate" Laughat Facepalm

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16-02-2015, 10:04 PM (This post was last modified: 16-02-2015 10:16 PM by Ace.)
RE: Atheist hypocrisy and obsession questions
(16-02-2015 08:20 AM)Anti Wrote:  1. A 'god' and a 'country' are both factually the exact same thing. Both are just abstract concepts. One is a political abstraction, the other is a religious abstraction. They are both factually the same yet every atheist I talk to seems to think 'countries' are something more than just a mere abstraction. If reifying a 'god' is religion then isn't the reification of a 'country' also religion? Why the hypocrisy? 


yes they are both concepts but a country has a population, a set amount of geographical space, national borders which separates it from other nations territory, a ruling govt whose leaders identities can be known, the end results of govts actions are immediately felt and noticeable
all these and more can be verified independently

so what about god ?
does anyone know where he is ? can that place be independently confirmed and verified ? does anyone know what actions god has done ? does anyone know the effects of gods actions and verify that they are indeed his actions ? does anyone know gods identity ? how can we measure those effect ? ho do we dinstinguish this god from anything we made like the thousands of other made up characters known throughout human history ?


Quote:2. Why are atheists obsessed with what other people think? I could care less about anybody's religious beliefs. Should I be obsessing like you guys? Even the term 'atheist' is based on resenting somebody else's thoughts... Labels are silly to begin with yet labeling yourself based other people's thoughts is a bit obsessive, don't you think?


whining like a spoiled brat won't get you anywhere here

atheists means lack of belief in the existence of deities and thats it
what logical connection is there between not-believing and hating ?
because all your sayign is that if one does not believe in santa/tooth fairy/easter bunny/god then you must hate them..... this is completely illogical
you can't hate what you don't even believe in


do you even wanna know why we care about what other people believe in especially religion ? well here's why:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/aboriginal/makayl...-1.2829885



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this news article and this video are only just the tip of this planet sized iceberg


we're tired of this shit, its always god blah blah blah this and that and later results in someone getting hurt or worse
religious people keep trying to make the govt enforce their religion because they think its their ***ing duty to do so, and act like victims when they don't get their own way
why couldn't gays get married before now ? well lets see some holy book of shit was used to justify not permitting them to get married
why did schools only start teaching evolution recently ? because before then the religious nuts made the govt enact laws to prevent anything that didn't match their interpretation of their shitty books from being told because their terrified that anything could not align with their way of thinking (go look up the scopes trial)

the establishment clause in the first amendment of your constitution clearly states that govt and religion are to be separated, period
I'm Indian yet I know more about the US and its history than the people who try to enforce their religion on everyone else

religious nuts are doing everything just to make everyone else believe, think, act as they do just to feel like that they are in the right and to milk money off of anyone gullible enough to believe their nonsense
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16-02-2015, 10:09 PM
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(16-02-2015 09:17 PM)Fodder_From_The_Truth Wrote:  This might be the worst argument yet.

it proves only how much they want to find something that sounds 'correct' at least to their desperate deluded ears

these people have invested so much into this that its almost the psychological equivalent of willingly cutting off their own limbs if they admit that their wrong so they can;t and feel obligated to never admit their wrong even when they know they are wrong
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16-02-2015, 10:36 PM
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Ace says "yes they are both concepts but a country has a population, a set amount of geographical space, national borders"

This is the reification and where you are confused. You are saying a 'country' is three different things. How can something be a mental concept, people, and land all at the same time?

You guys are getting upset at the exact same things you accuse religious people of doing.
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