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22-12-2013, 01:11 AM
RE: Atheistic evidence or criteria for proof of God
(22-12-2013 12:47 AM)λάθε βιώσας Wrote:  some say their are 2.3% atheists in the world... should I join a minority even still?

If you don't wish to be in the minority you should probably learn to speak Chinese. The truth does not depend on what the majority believe.

(22-12-2013 12:47 AM)λάθε βιώσας Wrote:  as the post title states, what do the 2.3% need others to give them ans even for the majority theists to give to the agnostics to convince them of their truth?

I would accept any miracle that was:
  • Evidently the work of a rational entity. No point in worshiping insane gods.
  • Scientifically analyzed by multiple, independent sources
  • Sufficiently miraculous to rule out any high-tech shenanigans by mortal charlatans

For example, the words "I am God. You need not worship me but please try to be decent to one another." floating in the sky in flaming letters that appear in the native language of each and every observer (I see it in English but simultaneously my Chinese friend standing next to me sees it in Cantonese. Illiterates don't see it in any language but understand it nonetheless.) would be fairly compelling. I can't logically rule out the possibility of a really advanced alien race screwing with me but, from my perspective, they might as well be gods so why bother?

That's a fairly specific example but I hope you get the idea.
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22-12-2013, 01:20 AM
RE: Atheistic evidence or criteria for proof of God
(22-12-2013 01:09 AM)λάθε βιώσας Wrote:  what do atheists need as evidence that a deity exists?

what is the criteria?
It depends on the deity in question.

If you could give us an example to work with, that would be a start.

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22-12-2013, 01:22 AM
RE: Atheistic evidence or criteria for proof of God
(22-12-2013 01:20 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(22-12-2013 01:09 AM)λάθε βιώσας Wrote:  what do atheists need as evidence that a deity exists?

what is the criteria?
It depends on the deity in question.

If you could give us an example to work with, that would be a start.

that is what I am trying to determine... from solidified atheists.

I edited my post on page to to reflect an example...

In eastern philosophy, which is a different way of understanding things, matter itself has life and existence as we would call it.

objects have spirits and even a stone has a soul.

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22-12-2013, 01:24 AM
RE: Atheistic evidence or criteria for proof of God
(22-12-2013 01:11 AM)λάθε βιώσας Wrote:  a statue of Buddha is a deity and the statues exist...

I accept that statues exist. So is your definition of deity "a piece of rock that looks like something"?

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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22-12-2013, 01:25 AM
RE: Atheistic evidence or criteria for proof of God
I think you need to define god before you can determine if god exists. You need to attach a specific meaning to the word before we can use it coherently.
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22-12-2013, 01:29 AM
RE: Atheistic evidence or criteria for proof of God
hopefully so I can know what I am looking for if I do find it myself.

and I'll let others know... that's my plan of wisdom.

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22-12-2013, 01:29 AM
RE: Atheistic evidence or criteria for proof of God
(22-12-2013 01:09 AM)λάθε βιώσας Wrote:  
(22-12-2013 12:57 AM)Vosur Wrote:  [quote='Chippy' pid='448312' dateline='1387690539']
Proof of what specifically? That some deity exists? That a specific deity exists?

what do atheists need as evidence that a deity exists?

EVIDENCE.

It's that fucking simple. Thumbsup

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22-12-2013, 01:33 AM
RE: Atheistic evidence or criteria for proof of God
(22-12-2013 01:11 AM)λάθε βιώσας Wrote:  a statue of Buddha is a deity and the statues exist...

solved?

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Deities are depicted in a variety of forms, but are also frequently expressed as having human form.

Yes, there is a hell of a lot of evidence that the fellow we call "the Buddha" actually existed, as opposed to your Jeebus-gawd-thing. But it's not limited to a silly statue here and there. Glad you caught on to that.

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22-12-2013, 01:34 AM
RE: Atheistic evidence or criteria for proof of God
(22-12-2013 01:25 AM)natachan Wrote:  I think you need to define god before you can determine if god exists. You need to attach a specific meaning to the word before we can use it coherently.

I can certainly make a teapot fly...

is this what is required?

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22-12-2013, 01:39 AM
RE: Atheistic evidence or criteria for proof of God
(22-12-2013 01:22 AM)λάθε βιώσας Wrote:  In eastern philosophy, which is a different way of understanding things, matter itself has life and existence as we would call it.

objects have spirits and even a stone has a soul.

You really need to provide a citation for that bullshit.

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