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22-12-2013, 02:49 AM
RE: Atheistic evidence or criteria for proof of God
(22-12-2013 02:44 AM)λάθε βιώσας Wrote:  ok this is a little far fetched, are you an atheist?

Dodgy No I'm a fucking parrot. Do you even read what other people write or are you just trolling ?

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22-12-2013, 02:51 AM (This post was last modified: 22-12-2013 03:00 AM by λάθε βιώσας.)
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(22-12-2013 02:42 AM)BlackMason Wrote:  
(22-12-2013 01:11 AM)λάθε βιώσας Wrote:  a statue of Buddha is a deity and the statues exist...

solved?

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Deities are depicted in a variety of forms, but are also frequently expressed as having human form.

Buddhism is known as an atheistic religion because it has no gods. Buddha is not a deity.

Buddhism is theistic... atheism has been trying to claim it though.

so this is thrown out of the mix.

a statue of Buddha is a deity and the statues do exist.

therefore deities exist.

atheism has been trying to claim Neil Tyson for awhile too, and Neil was one of my greatest influences to the cause of atheism and had me almost dead set on choosing a belief of the three I see as the inception or the mouth of the rabbit hole.

of course until he made this video, just threw me back in limbo!




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22-12-2013, 02:57 AM
RE: Atheistic evidence or criteria for proof of God
(22-12-2013 01:11 AM)Paleophyte Wrote:  For example, the words "I am God. You need not worship me but please try to be decent to one another." floating in the sky in flaming letters that appear in the native language of each and every observer (I see it in English but simultaneously my Chinese friend standing next to me sees it in Cantonese. Illiterates don't see it in any language but understand it nonetheless.) would be fairly compelling. I can't logically rule out the possibility of a really advanced alien race screwing with me but, from my perspective, they might as well be gods so why bother?

That's a fairly specific example but I hope you get the idea.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!! Wow that was hilarious for some reason.

8000 years before Jesus, the Egyptian god Horus said, "I am the way, the truth, the life."
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22-12-2013, 03:04 AM
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(22-12-2013 01:22 AM)λάθε βιώσας Wrote:  In eastern philosophy, which is a different way of understanding things, matter itself has life and existence as we would call it.

objects have spirits and even a stone has a soul.

Why because someone with a bomb said so? Ok that was low. My point is has this been proven to any substantial level?

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22-12-2013, 03:13 AM (This post was last modified: 22-12-2013 03:49 AM by BlackMason.)
RE: Atheistic evidence or criteria for proof of God
(22-12-2013 02:51 AM)λάθε βιώσας Wrote:  
(22-12-2013 02:42 AM)BlackMason Wrote:  Buddhism is known as an atheistic religion because it has no gods. Buddha is not a deity.

Buddhism is theistic... atheism has been trying to claim it though.

so this is thrown out of the mix.

a statue of Buddha is a deity and the statues do exist.

therefore deities exist.

"Buddhism is a religion indigenous to the Indian subcontinent that encompasses a variety of traditions, beliefs and practices largely based on
teachings attributed to Siddhartha Gautama, who is commonly known as the Buddha, meaning
"the awakened one". The Buddha lived and
taught in the eastern part of the Indian subcontinent sometime between the 6th and 4th centuries BCE.[1] He is recognized by Buddhists as an awakened or enlightened teacher who shared his insights to help sentient beings end their suffering (dukkha) through the elimination of ignorance (avidyā) by way of understanding and the seeing of dependent origination
(pratītyasamutpāda) and the elimination of desire (taṇhā), and thus the attainment of the cessation of all suffering, known as the sublime state of nirvāņa.[2]"- wikipedia

"de·i·ty Pronunciation (d -t , d -) n. pl. de·i·ties 1. A god or goddess. 2. a. The essential nature or condition of being a god; divinity. b. Deity God."

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22-12-2013, 03:19 AM
RE: Atheistic evidence or criteria for proof of God
(22-12-2013 02:05 AM)BlackMason Wrote:  Evidence that when viewed by a rational person they will be compelled to believe.

Precisely. It would need to be such that reasonable disbelief is not possible; it would need to be at least--as per the standard of evidence in criminal law--beyond reasonable doubt.

What that evidence specifically consists in depends on which god the OP has in mind. With that specifed we could potentially formulate some criteria that would at least be indicative that we have encountered some sort of "supernatural" person.

The issue of authenticity of identity though appears to be insurmountable because no revealed text includes any procedure for authentication and even if it did it would be uncertain whether the original revelation was authentic. If the original revelation was from a malicious demon and it also specified its own authentication procedure we would be left with the original problem since on its return it would pass its own authentication test.

Since we mere humans have needed and created many means of authenticating our identity a deity should (a) have foreseen the problem; and (b) be able to come up with an authentication scheme that only it can pass (assuming the original revelation was authentic). For example, the presence of cipher text and some advanced decryption algorithm in a revealed ancient text would also go some way to showing at least the non-human origin of the revelation.

As it is, if the eschatological doctrine of Judaism, Christianity or Islam were apparently fulfilled we have no way of knowing whether it is actually being fulfilled or some malicious demon or malicious aliens (that have read one of the scriptures and knows what to do) isn't just deceiving us.

This at first seems a silly and a naive criticism of special revelation but it is yet another problem that none of the religious narratives cover and that appears when the practical aspects of launching a religion are considered. Consider all the people that have claimed to be Jesus. Since none of them performed anything "miraculous" we can be very confident that they are just human beings. But if one claimant appeared that was able to perform "supernatural" feats how would we confirm--beyond reasonable doubt--that he is Jesus and not an impostor? I can't think of any means of achieving that and neither the OT or the NT help. The references in the NT to false prophets and the anti-Christ don't help.
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22-12-2013, 03:24 AM (This post was last modified: 22-12-2013 03:40 AM by λάθε βιώσας.)
RE: Atheistic evidence or criteria for proof of God
(22-12-2013 03:13 AM)BlackMason Wrote:  
(22-12-2013 02:51 AM)λάθε βιώσας Wrote:  Buddhism is theistic... atheism has been trying to claim it though.

so this is thrown out of the mix.

a statue of Buddha is a deity and the statues do exist.

therefore deities exist.

"Buddhism is a religion indigenous to the Indian subcontinent that encompasses a variety of traditions, beliefs and practices largely based on
teachings attributed to Siddhartha Gautama, who is commonly known as the Buddha, meaning
"the awakened one". The Buddha lived and
taught in the eastern part of the Indian subcontinent sometime between the 6th and 4th centuries BCE.[1] He is recognized by Buddhists as an awakened or enlightened teacher who shared his insights to help sentient beings end their suffering (dukkha) through the elimination of ignorance (avidyā) by way of understanding and the seeing of dependent origination
(pratītyasamutpāda) and the elimination of desire (taṇhā), and thus the attainment of the cessation of all suffering, known as the sublime state of nirvāņa.[2]"- wikipedia

hey friend... look into it yourself, but Buddhism is theistic.

and it's not the same (It) as I was talking about earlier... they are two separate (It's)

Neil is cool, I love the guy honestly, to me he is Carl Sagan II or Sagan's successor (similar to the Pope, the guy who is supposed to be Jesus' successor to Catholic people)

Neil just says... I'd rather be an individual

that speaks volumes to me.

Sagan is on my list of 4 most influential people on my FB, and my parents aren't even there in that section!

I have Captain Picard, James Burke, Carl Sagan and a favorite guitarist of mine.

I like Heavy Metal

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22-12-2013, 04:27 AM
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22-12-2013, 06:51 AM
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(22-12-2013 02:57 AM)BlackMason Wrote:  
(22-12-2013 01:11 AM)Paleophyte Wrote:  For example, the words "I am God. You need not worship me but please try to be decent to one another." floating in the sky in flaming letters that appear in the native language of each and every observer (I see it in English but simultaneously my Chinese friend standing next to me sees it in Cantonese. Illiterates don't see it in any language but understand it nonetheless.) would be fairly compelling. I can't logically rule out the possibility of a really advanced alien race screwing with me but, from my perspective, they might as well be gods so why bother?

That's a fairly specific example but I hope you get the idea.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!! Wow that was hilarious for some reason.

I hadn't been aiming for comedic value but I'm glad you enjoyed.
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22-12-2013, 07:14 AM
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(22-12-2013 01:52 AM)λάθε βιώσας Wrote:  what is proof of God?

As several atheists have already stated:
Evidence Equal to the Claim

If you continue preaching while ignoring the replies and you will be exiled to the dark and damp beneath your bridge.
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