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15-05-2013, 04:20 PM
RE: Atheists And The Moon
(15-05-2013 09:28 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
Quote:No one needs to shift the burden of proof onto you. The burden is on anyone making an assertion. Can you produce these eyewitnesses? Do you know how weak an eyewitness testimony is in a criminal trial? How do "prophecies" count as evidence? You "weren't there" either. I take the word of biologists, geologists, and physicists over that of theologians and "prophets" any day of the week. This isn't because I know both science and theology through and through, but because science is clearly the more useful source of information about the physical world and that's a demonstrable fact.

Would you count archaeologists and historians as scientifically rigorous also? (Especially, of course archaeologists).

They confirm facts (outside the Bible) that helps us have a reasonable understanding of prophecy inside the Bible. For example, we can confirm Daniel's conditions for counting 483 360-day years to "Messiah being cut off" outside the Bible, and then see Jesus crucified when He was, at a time that secular scholars affirm as true.

Eyewitness testimony is considered weak or fallible in a criminal trial, yes. However, the New Testament is one dozen eyewitnesses providing hundreds of pages of written documentary evidence. You make it sound like three passerby with bad eyesight seeing a car accident for a few seconds. Some of these eyewitnesses grew up as close relations of Jesus and then committed over three years to following Him daily as disciples/mentees.

The same goes times four or five for the Old Testament--it represents in its historical sections eyewitnesses providing documentary evidence. Bear in mind further that the eyewitnesses swear oaths in the name of God as to testifying, the same way that we ask witnesses to swear against perjury with a God oath or other solemn oath. Thanks.

1. People us the world around to write novels all the time. Novels will contain references to real places, technology, and science of the times.

2. Dozens implies at least 24 witnesses. Which is a lie because the bible only states many. However the writings that came after word were much later, only contained in Christianity and do not have any evidence or records.

3. Swearing on the bible means nothing. It's merely a cultural vestige, exploiting a persons superstition to try and make sure they tell the truth.

(In the Roman tradition, oaths were sworn upon Iuppiter Lapis or the Jupiter Stone)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath#Histor...al_concept

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15-05-2013, 04:24 PM
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15-05-2013, 04:58 PM (This post was last modified: 15-05-2013 05:06 PM by cbb2274.)
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"You'll have such proof as exists. You are the only one responsible for your own wants."
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