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06-05-2013, 01:24 PM
RE: Atheists And The Moon
(06-05-2013 07:10 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Do what you should with all Bible stories and consider what you would do in the situation.

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06-05-2013, 02:23 PM
RE: Atheists And The Moon
Quote:You of all people can't bitch about that. YOU refuse to read it in context of the Documentary Hypothesis. It's YOUR context. That's all you mean, old man.
Get back to work.

Not bad, BB. An interesting tack. But the context I'm referring to is having more than one verse or two to explain a teaching, something which liberal scholars likewise accept.

This is different than saying about a verse(s), "The writer(s)/redactor(s) said that God is merciful in this verse, but what they REALLY meant was X."
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06-05-2013, 02:25 PM
RE: Atheists And The Moon
Quote:So PJ if you dined with your diety and he asked you to sacrifice your child to him, would you?
You're missing my exact point. If I had a decades-long relationship with God (I do) and He prophesied numerous things to me that occured, and He asked me to do something that was appropriate and not a violation of His Word...

Quote:pfft, It would take me nanoseconds to decide no if I was asked to sacrifice one of my children. No going back and forth, no nice and tidy list with the plusses on one side and the negatives on the other. A big resounding no f'n way. What would PJ do ? If your sky faerie asked you to sacrifice your child what would you do? Answer honestly, now, I have.

ME TOO, which is why it's vital that God so loved the world He sacrificed His SON for US. See? See?!
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06-05-2013, 03:05 PM
RE: Atheists And The Moon
(06-05-2013 02:25 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
Quote:So PJ if you dined with your diety and he asked you to sacrifice your child to him, would you?
You're missing my exact point. If I had a decades-long relationship with God (I do) and He prophesied numerous things to me that occured, and He asked me to do something that was appropriate and not a violation of His Word...

Quote:pfft, It would take me nanoseconds to decide no if I was asked to sacrifice one of my children. No going back and forth, no nice and tidy list with the plusses on one side and the negatives on the other. A big resounding no f'n way. What would PJ do ? If your sky faerie asked you to sacrifice your child what would you do? Answer honestly, now, I have.

ME TOO, which is why it's vital that God so loved the world He sacrificed His SON for US. See? See?!
You didn't answer the question thus you missed the point of a very simple question. If the diety you have a "personal" relationship with asked you to sacrifice your child what would you do? Yes or no, avoid the "....." just answer simply.

I don't see. He didn't sacrifice anything since (s)he knows the future and thus knew (s)he would resurrect him after only 3 days which is a blip on the existence timeframe. There was no sacrifice, (s)he simply placed their supposed son in hibernation for 72 hours and then snapped their fingers. And what the hell sacrifice was it for me? There was conflict and suffering before this supposed sacrifice and there has been conflict and suffering since. I will go out on a limb and predict that there will be conflict and suffering tomorrow too.
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06-05-2013, 04:06 PM
RE: Atheists And The Moon
(06-05-2013 02:25 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  ME TOO, which is why it's vital that God so loved the world He sacrificed His SON for US. See? See?!

You still can't explain why it qualifies as a sacrifice. He wasn't the only one crucified. He wasn't the only one tortured. Unfortunately for you, history has recorded human suffering in great detail. The suffering of Jesus wasn't unique. He did, however, get to come back to life, unlike the rest of us poor schmucks. God didn't lose anything.

Has anyone else here had a loved one die and then returned to life after only three days, after which they floated up into paradise? Anyone?

If Jesus died for our sins, why is there still sin? If man was created from dust, why is there still dust? If Americans came from Europe, why are there still Europeans?
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07-05-2013, 06:49 AM
RE: Atheists And The Moon
Quote:You didn't answer the question thus you missed the point of a very simple question. If the diety you have a "personal" relationship with asked you to sacrifice your child what would you do? Yes or no, avoid the "....." just answer simply.

I don't see. He didn't sacrifice anything since (s)he knows the future and thus knew (s)he would resurrect him after only 3 days which is a blip on the existence timeframe. There was no sacrifice, (s)he simply placed their supposed son in hibernation for 72 hours and then snapped their fingers. And what the hell sacrifice was it for me? There was conflict and suffering before this supposed sacrifice and there has been conflict and suffering since. I will go out on a limb and predict that there will be conflict and suffering tomorrow too.
I'll answer you and GuitarN with this post.

If you knew you would be healed on the third day after I asked you to stick your bare feet in a lit fireplace for six hours, would you do it?

The wrath of God was poured onto Messiah for us. In anticipation, He perspired blood:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hematidrosis

"Hematidrosis (also called hematohidrosis) is a very rare condition in which a human sweats blood. It may occur when a person is suffering extreme levels of stress, for example, facing his or her own death. Several historical references have been described; notably by Leonardo da Vinci: describing a soldier who sweated blood before battle, men unexpectedly given a death sentence, as well as descriptions in the Bible, that Jesus may have experienced hematidrosis when he was praying in the garden of Gethsemane (Luke 22:43-44)."

It wasn't a snap your fingers/simple thing for the man Jesus to die or for the eternal God Jesus to die and be separated from His Father.

Nor would it be a trivial thing for me to sacrifice a son or you. That's why Abraham is a man of trust and God, trustworthy.

Thank you.
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07-05-2013, 06:56 AM
RE: Atheists And The Moon
(07-05-2013 06:49 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
Quote:You didn't answer the question thus you missed the point of a very simple question. If the diety you have a "personal" relationship with asked you to sacrifice your child what would you do? Yes or no, avoid the "....." just answer simply.

I don't see. He didn't sacrifice anything since (s)he knows the future and thus knew (s)he would resurrect him after only 3 days which is a blip on the existence timeframe. There was no sacrifice, (s)he simply placed their supposed son in hibernation for 72 hours and then snapped their fingers. And what the hell sacrifice was it for me? There was conflict and suffering before this supposed sacrifice and there has been conflict and suffering since. I will go out on a limb and predict that there will be conflict and suffering tomorrow too.
I'll answer you and GuitarN with this post.

It wasn't a snap your fingers/simple thing for the man Jesus to die or for the eternal God Jesus to die and be separated from His Father.

One part of that makes absolutely no sense, and I've emphasised it

If this "eternal God Jesus" is as you say, eternal...

How'd they die?

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07-05-2013, 07:21 AM
RE: Atheists And The Moon
(07-05-2013 06:49 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  If you knew you would be healed on the third day after I asked you to stick your bare feet in a lit fireplace for six hours, would you do it?

The wrath of God was poured onto Messiah for us. In anticipation, He perspired blood:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hematidrosis

It wasn't a snap your fingers/simple thing for the man Jesus to die or for the eternal God Jesus to die and be separated from His Father.

Nor would it be a trivial thing for me to sacrifice a son or you. That's why Abraham is a man of trust and God, trustworthy.

I appreciate the response. You're still not addressing my point, however. It doesn't matter that he 'sweat blood' or that it would be hard for me to stick my own feet in a fire with the promise of healing. I was told that Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice for all of humankind. What was the sacrifice, and why was it the most significant of all sacrifice?

1. He didn't stay dead;
2. His suffering was not as long or as prolonged as the suffering of other humans in history. In fact, two other men were crucified next to him;
3. He rose up to paradise shortly after coming back to life;

Has any other victim of suffering received the same treatment? Compare every story of human suffering in history and it becomes clear the crucifixion story is not the worst. Not even close.

If Jesus died for our sins, why is there still sin? If man was created from dust, why is there still dust? If Americans came from Europe, why are there still Europeans?
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07-05-2013, 07:29 AM
RE: Atheists And The Moon
(03-05-2013 07:45 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Wow, very, very thoughtful and thought-provoking reponses.

Garbage in, garbage out.

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07-05-2013, 07:31 AM (This post was last modified: 07-05-2013 11:47 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Atheists And The Moon
(07-05-2013 06:49 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  The wrath of God was poured onto Messiah for us. In anticipation, He perspired blood:

An ancient pissed-off deity, who requires someone to die, to feel better is no god. It's an (obviously) anthropomorphized being, cooked up by guilty humans, to reflect their own disordered psych state. It also means the god is subject to the nature of Reality, rather than it's creator. You need a philosophy course SexuallyPleasingJebusTroll. Your god is for a two year old. If your god's wrath "changed" it means your god is not timeless and unchanging, and eternal. Are you really THAT stupid ?
BTW, all your "prophesy" stuff, is simply confirmation bias. I do understand that you old eople need/can understand things only in the one tiny way you learned shit in your grade school days, and can't think about anything in any new way, so you need to put people in your little boxes.

BTW, you STILL have failed to tell us EXACTLY what day Jebus death was prophesied, and why and how that day and time is different in the gospels. You seem to evade what is inconvenient. What are you afraid of JebusTrollJoke ?

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