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11-06-2015, 10:19 AM
RE: Atheists are religious, Atheism is a religion
(09-06-2015 04:50 PM)tomilay Wrote:  Science asserts things that can be proven.

No, it doesn't. "Proof" is the purview of mathematics, logic, and/or the law.

Science asserts that nature can be understood, but -- and this is important, you'll need to write this one down -- science asserts that all knowledge is tentative. Some knowledge is less tentative, other knowledge is more tentative, but given a sufficient weight and quality of evidence, received knowledge can be and often is overthrown.

Tomilay Wrote:The reason I call the scientific views as faith, as I defined somewhere earlier, is also captured in this same quote. Trust is placed in a model, which while rigorous, is only a "fact" because something better hasn't come along. It just so happens to be faith that can be impacted by empirical evidence. Religion remains impervious.

Trust may be placed in the model, but it is not a part of the process of scientific discovery. The inability to see the distinction undermines the credibility of your observations. And that fact that you find the self-correcting mechanism of science a point of critique belies the inability to see what is actually the greatest strength of science in interrogating the Universe: it molds itself to reality, rather than attempting the reverse, as does religion.

That is, you know, a pretty big difference.
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11-06-2015, 10:36 AM
RE: Atheists are religious, Atheism is a religion
(10-06-2015 09:36 AM)tomilay Wrote:  I use faith in the broadest sense of the word. Use http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faith. Or wikipedia if you will.

With all due respect, I am not here to entertain you or seek your respect.

(10-06-2015 10:20 AM)tomilay Wrote:  The link I give has several definitions.

Most religions will have all defintions incorporated. Science will have 1, 4 and 7.

Therefore we can work with where they intersect i.e. 1, 4 and 7. That would be fair.

Anything else is cherry picking.
Quote:1. confidence or trust in a person or thing:
faith in another's ability.
2.
belief that is not based on proof:
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion:
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
4.
belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.:
to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
5.
a system of religious belief:
the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.
6.
the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.:
Failure to appear would be breaking faith.
7.
the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.:
He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles.

So first you say that you're using it in the broadest sense, and when that is pointed out as being uselessly generic, you starting citing specific denotations to the exclusion of others?

That is clearly not "the broadest sense." You should perhaps decide what you mean by "faith" first?
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11-06-2015, 10:50 AM
RE: Atheists are religious, Atheism is a religion
(10-06-2015 11:50 AM)tomilay Wrote:  But that only applies to discussions with close minded atheists. On the other it works just fine in discussions with religious adherents.

Perhaps you ought to stick to discussions with religious adherents, then.

Seems more your speed, anyway.
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RE: Atheists are religious, Atheism is a religion
(11-06-2015 10:19 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  
(09-06-2015 04:50 PM)tomilay Wrote:  Science asserts things that can be proven.

No, it doesn't. "Proof" is the purview of mathematics, logic, and/or the law.

Science asserts that nature can be understood, but -- and this is important, you'll need to write this one down -- science asserts that all knowledge is tentative. Some knowledge is less tentative, other knowledge is more tentative, but given a sufficient weight and quality of evidence, received knowledge can be and often is overthrown.

Tomilay Wrote:The reason I call the scientific views as faith, as I defined somewhere earlier, is also captured in this same quote. Trust is placed in a model, which while rigorous, is only a "fact" because something better hasn't come along. It just so happens to be faith that can be impacted by empirical evidence. Religion remains impervious.

Trust may be placed in the model, but it is not a part of the process of scientific discovery. The inability to see the distinction undermines the credibility of your observations. And that fact that you find the self-correcting mechanism of science a point of critique belies the inability to see what is actually the greatest strength of science in interrogating the Universe: it molds itself to reality, rather than attempting the reverse, as does religion.

That is, you know, a pretty big difference.
The first point you make is fair. Personally I would probably say something like science makes testable claims. Something you can put out there and subject to rigorous testing and etcetra etcetra.

That said, Commonsensei made the quote you have. I just happen quote him. I have no problem understanding him. He probably mispoke/typo or something.

I share your view that greatest strength of science is its ability to mold itself to reality. To feel its way to the underlying reality. I harbor no serious doubts about that. It paraphrases my point.

We have to remember that what we observe is not nature herself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning ~ Werner Heisenberg
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11-06-2015, 11:03 AM
RE: Atheists are religious, Atheism is a religion
(11-06-2015 10:50 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  
(10-06-2015 11:50 AM)tomilay Wrote:  But that only applies to discussions with close minded atheists. On the other it works just fine in discussions with religious adherents.

Perhaps you ought to stick to discussions with religious adherents, then.

Seems more your speed, anyway.
I'll stick to where I feel like. Nothing personal.

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11-06-2015, 11:50 AM
RE: Atheists are religious, Atheism is a religion

“The infinity risen from out of water greeting with nature.
Nature bursts into wisdom. Wisdom leads to crafting.
The perfection of craft for a blind eye appeals as magic. Magic tends to trick.
Tricking follows into discord. Discords nature is the key of war.
War ends down with death. Death suggests of chaos.
Chaos's end is the beginning of order.
The representation of line with two points… Order and Chaos. The never ending cycle...”

Creavi ad perdendum


The author of the following statement has the bravery of being unknown to most circles of life. An eager of spreading a just and perfect vision of the world drove my inner being in pursue of truth. Five years of little to no researching, but own mind evaluating has rendered me capable of unfolding those mysteries to the ones that seek, which till now, have been kept secret as the grave. I've derived it knowledge at first from brainwashing media, puppets of those who know. As the zombie mind began to die off I became possessed of its effects; and on over the signs of Illuminati, found the door into deep dark ocean of desires to globalize this shattered world. Remarks on great plan, which exited my curiosity so far that I revolved on accomplishing my honest scheme, without going through the forms required by the society.
My regard for the present, and respect to the future, is the only inducement to this publication, which is intended not only to affect those who, perhaps, have been lately awaken, and still remain ignorant of the true foundation of the NWO. To become the followers of invisible order of Illuminati. An opportunity of judging for themselves as to the obligation and nature of the society are going to escape into, and to confider the advantages and disadvantages of the engagements by which they are bound. Such is the intention of this undertaking an important task of throwing the fattest gambit in the history of life and death.


Phaenomenon re silentium
The future they seek

Radiation accumulated nations with cancer riot. One in every five. There were many ready to lose themselves…
The green planet. Like an apple, it’s eventually turns into red and then after inky yellow in some time. 2070s. There was time when the planet has been covered in cities and life was pushing as a train. The planet was looking grayish of monotony. 2090s nearly new century, life turned into flaming red and even the telescope of far icy satellite of Europa would’ve see the fire.
Right after 90 percent of all mass destructive weapons were sent to Mars on 2096 a machine of sorrow began to swirl across the nations. The same year World War Three dropped its wheal of depleting death on December 26th. Many believed that it was the one, the thermonuclear. The truly to be “war to end all wars”. Six years passed the war was finished in victory of neo communism party and resulted with groundbreaking 42 percent of humanity slaughtered in the process. 2120s…Mini World War four as many called was sponsored by last standing religious men propagandized to be the plague of anarchy from across the globe, they were stomped by the ruthless agenda, the logic in just two years. The utopia of believing in something great after death was killed by unstoppable science. Since then it was all about now, your sweat, your tears, your work, your every second beating heart no time to pray, its illogical elite suggested as many much bigger things with it. There were still lands where certain religion group could live in peace and prosperity, but they were rejected from the great fraction.
Due to economic crisis the world began to divide into old, settled capitalism and neo communism increasingly pushed by youth and uprising societies. Cold elitism with the limit against the free will without exit. . Cyborg future began to rise in minds of many after multiple scientific discoveries with genetically modified organs and half organic electronics. The new reforms were pushed through parliaments of continents. Religions were faded by order and science. Countries spared their history and culture on slope of internet while eventually becoming into single globalized corporation: simply called “The Earth”. The technology eventually advanced to the final stage when humans could transform their usual brain into computer, swapping their right eyeball with AI information filter. . It was pc installed directly into the mind with extra tweaks to turn into potential hard worker anyone who carries it. Plus it gave obvious advantages as well connection with lots of unusual for human body applications. Alarm, Internet, games and etc. At the age of eighteen every single inhabitant of Earth was supposed to lay on surgeons table to spare the system. After each of their move being recorded, their life began a part of 100 points cycle. Merely speaking each positive and logical effect on humanity and the planet was resulted with extra point. An invention if it was in ranks of genius may send the owner to 50 points up. On the final mark the 100 points meant a continuation of family tree for its individual. A man or woman with 100 points would've done such operation with its half that was above 50 points. The murder of human will make the obtaining reduced to 0.1 for each point and of cause jail didn’t disappear. People still had the free will to spend entire life in block two by two. The humanity was finally assorted right, thanks to technology. Recycled cities were changed with next gen technologies of pure customization in all types of products. China, Russia and USA closed all factories and then reopened many by one name, reducing human industrial activity to minimum. Later everyone agreed to proceed in same pace, putting advertisement into the grave. Even so the world was communist like, advancing to perfect the race, the cloths were blue or graffiti like, the electric cars were changing color and form on the run. Only thing was it all happened by seeing world from integrated right filter-eye. Things were gray everyone agreed, but the future since was brighter than ever...


“Illuminate your foes by creating chaos, play both sides, control all. Sacrifice the present for the sake of future. And you will succeed, those who got nothing to follow, open your eye and see the truth before life becomes harsh and full of pain. Faith controls and creates wars. Stop it and there wont be any more.” Illuminati

Each second there are more negative things humankind does then good and if we will think mathematically about it that means that once everything will end, pretty soon. Our moves are changing the physical nucleus of the reality as also recreating the chaos. Nonphysical life is our final destination to save the species...
There's an undertone in everything around you, unknown reader. Tone of possibilities in each move I can do in the next second. Casual moments could have played in different styles under particular circumstances causing me to think of many dimensions being born around us.
Here is the truth. Just like that. No church, no invitation, no paychecks and scam. No brainwashing for rich and few to get the same result... Youth will do much harder, faster, stronger and better.

The origin came from nothing. In the world of nothing there was a simple element that was missing, as it was causing significant changes into everything.
In the world of nothing, there were no rules upon anything of it nothingness. Therefore without the rule, you create new elements, because there’s nothing for it to stop.
Something created the challenge that made new worlds of different colors with crazy structural levels.
Infinity caused rules...
The rules cause challenge. Challenge cause variety as also scars upon it. Variety is continuing the infinity as scars causes the chaos. Chaos destroys or brings the rules while also the challenge gaining or losing an enormous amount of possible variety and this keeps on going without time limits. Chaos doesn't let things to unite themselves too long so it will never fill the infinity.
We are the fighting for the immortality sort of variety as also for infinity, but if we fall into chaos then we will lose rules and we would intoxicate with darkness. It's all about chance.
When the mankind will gain an absolute access over everything they ever could then we will have a possibility to create worlds in virtual realities causing new dimensions, but it got to be a perfection level that we could calculate anything so right to live for infinity time inside of the organic system, somewhere where any desires are possible immediately.

Our lifes represent a passage of choice. It's got two perpendicular endings. The circle of life and death could portray the unity at the same time the zero. Happy ending and the darkish end. The complex system of living points out on how our society works. Imagine a broken mirror in the shadow of the room. As you can see it got black details connected to white and grey. White expresses all the possible scientific discoveries of future that could be led to our saving. Black is the struggle of the past that helps us to learn on mistakes of others. Dark, white grey areas are the pentacle of this picture. It’s the mystery, the missing elements that must be found before failure or victory, but their something else sacred. Therese invisible lines that could connect the other elements across major pieces of this jigsaw. This means that's the passage of primal success will never be that easy to accomplish without using any means necessary, whether its structures of past or present. So therefore the name of the book that will serve as Illuminati's mindset is The Sleeping Scars. It represents those invisible lines for the world to find and understand. It must be vague... It meant to create different thoughts upon the ultimate questions, while silently pushes correct answers in the waves of spree. What's free will compared to future with triple dots? What's the solution of ego affecting the world in every kind of human industry? Many of other answers will be found in my book, but the understanding of those words in proper is the main game's point. I’m not here to make you think vague, but just to think above the usual human morals. Over intelligent aliens would've fun reading this extrapolated saga because they went through this problem billions of years ago. What about you? Would you have fun to see the immortalized future before it ends and then manage to end the past before the world itself? The world required it to be dissented from its future, hiding behind the past cause of understandable development... It's time for an unknown to coordinate the jurisdictions of what’s right and wrong. It's time for people to stand by its own rights. I'll show humanity what’s a utopian society really is and how it will highly improve after time. As well as not that utopian society, but quite an opposite. As I call it in the theory as the almost perfect, the final and failed traces of experiences aka by this weathered pages of the script-dimensions.

Let me give you a taste of what Sleeping Scars is going to be on one of its five dimensions.

The Negativus

Alslantima

An empty looking planet was glistering far in the deep of space across giant Jupiter. Someone inside was chanting solemn burble. Low tones of undiscovered world were whispering the unlimited triumph to their ruler…
There in the depth of mixed structures was steel golem in female form that looked surrealistic compare to any ghost of light and onyx as also reeked with its alien appearance for this reality. Its sharp outline contour was pushing with its greatness towards any of her creations. Eyes were turning dark with sparkles purple when she was silent, thinking or green with flames of flash when she was speaking. The most unusual colors of her eyes were red and silvery. Bloody spheres were shown limitedly at the times when she was wishing of something that was new. For a god, wishes were like unseen dreams. Wishing was just so fast, so spontaneous that she could have just seized it in her mind for just short period. Once there is a master that comes in and creates it in new reality. One day there is this once that changes anything into everything. Eh, how confused was she billions years ago and how bored since. Different numbers and they are everywhere. They came and never going to leave…
Presently, how about to create a world that doesn’t have numbers? Would the master be lost with it?
She looked at the Negativus. Then she turned her eyes onto the mirror particles of platform that blew her vicious stare into its own. The purple fire slept inside of her pupils and then spurted with scarlet agony of visual enthusiasm. It was actually unique…
The goddess smiled with blend set of teeth. Her cold steel nose like sword was fumbling into upper lips. The crown that resembled her status was spiked stiff out of her metallic hair.
At first when I began to settle the new life inside, there was just a core warming surroundings and raising a tremendous pasture for my creativity. My unlimited force sliced the burning orb into two equal pieces. I took one to be kept in time of war as my primary weapon against unknown owners of the cosmos. The other I left to rotate in time to bring something like day and night for the world that I named as the Negativus.
Through the aegis, the heat from the center was creating a bright energy inside that eventually ramified to shadows of darkness under the turning hemisphere. The void of obsidian screen was so cold that a bubble in oceans size flipped out and covered the interior.
The dark was gathering free source of life and as a result, the shadows turned into individual souls. Some of them then moved towards the light, while others decided to remain in chaotic places of birth. These two oppositions began to create the city around the half-orb in the rules of my word. They were almost immortal only, because of inability to survive on oppositions sector. That's why they all must run… I enjoy my observing over the onyx undulationers running circles as the light changes the position of shine. I was also happy to see their progressive intellect in terms of communication skill as from cryptic symbols on the ground to the perfect plans of creating the greatest city in the universe. Their living habit was always on the move, so they lived in similar structured inhibitors.
The purpose of life of the DL* is to create worlds as to continue the infinity.
I won my world; I've got it to the perfection level... This means that everything what was physically possible to create and analyze has been done, and only the imagination is left for the continuation of the future.
Each time the DL is ready to create a new universe, the members of the planet come to me so I choose two masters to become into part-time demigods. Light is the meaning of creation, but without another color such as any darker there wouldn't be any single particle- just only a white list.
The rules of participating in the creation of the world are simple. The light undulationers must create a perfect race of beings, which will know all the possible knowledge of their universe to be able then to move into the stage of their immortality and ability to create anything they ever wanted. They got to catch the masters innovation of life before the innovation of death gets to finishing line. The onyx undulationers must to verify their strength in order to deserve the place under the gods. If the world doesn't stand into that category then the darkness destroys the creation of light. The ones that lost their world then forever will be turned onto dark side.
Completed worlds overlap the souls of those who got to the end, but do not get the memories of those who controlled over. One life in continues activating the new one.
This was all so simple since now on was to her like nothing.
Suddenly she saw the most unexpectedly thing for her always been victorious life. The flames of her eyes extinguished as if candles under sturdy breath to the stage of silver color. Those she used to hear the gods get, in the warning of incoming danger and… within there was something else… the death of somebody closed to her, probably the closest one was.
She was so power sensible that felt someone’s lasted beat of heart on the other end of universes.
The titan in the middle shuttered around and aloud.
“Today is the day when the one who could have protected me is dead in the sign that I got not much time until my fate will end up the same.” The god Alslantima whispered in last looking at her lovingly created world from the ladder of inner planet.
Maybe that's why someone innocent fell dead for me few hours ago. I got a feeling that it may be my last world to cover… This, maybe again...
“Let us begin...” Alslanti addressed to her right hand listener Plod-U-Pas. He was her slavery toy. His silhouette was too blurry to proper explain since he was always doing something for his highest master. Just some dusky strain on legs that was squeaking full of polite speeches and in split seconds notified with finished job.
“Yes, the queen...” Within low intonation replied a tiny ghost under the shadow of his owner and spread away.
Calling signal was out on every corner of full roof-covered streets of the Negativus. The new world was about to begin...
The place of infinity where the races could have faced each other was far in the top corner of the straight ceiling of half-orb, shinning with hallowed fire. The heat on that side wasn’t that bad, just only flames coming from the coal ground.
Light ones were grouping on the way up to there, while the onyx has been already around the platform of infinity. They had been always there up in the swimming pool that vertically rained small tears of water like it had low gravity. Pure darkness was the only mansion that was fleeing around the main city followed by washing rain.
Sedin, the master of evil was wearing a shadowy red-black heavy armor and a gold mask on half face with thorns on the top. His low-shaped square look was glowing blue over uncovered skin. His eyes were bleeding the shadowy rays mixed with spooky explosions of bright.
He set on an armchair in front of a new master of light named Zefijay. The old one lost his second world and been claimed to get overthrown into lower stages of organisms to fight his way back through mysteries and another billions of years. Zefijay was here before anyone else. His simple made glowing bronze toxically mask was directed towards the Sedin with his army. He was looking so boring that the expression of him was losing in cryptic words by flaming distinction.
Riot of excitement was from all sides. Right up the heads of masters somewhere the ruler of evil was glancing on his pawn Sedin.
“Please to present, the queen of the Negativus, Alslantima!” With a scream shouted Plod-U-Pas into the crowd of phantoms.
Everything fell into silence; only the cold steps began to grow louder towards the cobbled mantel with Sedin and Zefijay. The last step up of stairs from the firing angle of semi-circle was the beginning of her speech to the masters: “I would like to see a solution by you to feed the signs of perfection.” She pointed at Zefijay as she said that.
“You, stop him, but remember if the world is worth to be, so let it.”
Sedin only nod his head down as same as the light owner did.
From the beginning of a sharp claw of Alslanti a white sheet appeared and laid down across the paved table between two masters.
Zefijay was very nervous, this was his second world and the last one he deprived, while having an unshaken body with the sign of the calm comportment and readiness to face the devil itself.
The dark wizard was imposing fear deep into his eyes, trying to convince of the future failure, silently; even so the creator of realities got his mask on so the spooky force can’t harm his mind.
“You may start, now.” Plod-U-Pas whispered to the table and gone away, following the queen to the top of the hovering stairs that was rising up into the deep of the planet.
“I want to go to the surface, alone. You will be in charge for a while till I will fully investigate the murder of my creator. It's time for you to feel the responsibility that I’m carrying every nanosecond.” Alslantima hissed to him, as she pushed Pup with a finger over the last step away of outer line.
When she reached the illuminated surface of the polychromatic planet, the owner of the Negativus sprinted up with disappears by the flash.
The most intervening aspect of life for the ghosts was about to occur soon.
Sedin released his hand over the present from the queen and his fingers clotted melting away the charcoal liquid, which fell into the center of changing emanation. A big dot was circulating around, spreading rays of shadows mixed with the light. It all grew and finally began to emerge from the leaf.
Zefijay arched his force on the cluster of animated images and flashed huge lightning out of his noxious hand. The gap with floating inside paddling objects hexed into the space within stars and galaxies. That's what was left on the convention after a few minutes while the forceful power was creating the new beginning.
Two gods were vigorously ready to trigger their future characters into the story of life and death. The ones were still small behind their backs. Souls of many began to fly upwards into the deep void dwindling, as at the same time getting closer to their masters.
The world was created... The world in which intelligent beings- human race will live on the planet that they call as the Earth…

▲The infinity risen from out o h2o greeting wth nature bursts into wisdom leads to crafting perfection of craft for a blind eye appeals as magic tends to trick follows into discord nature is the key of war ends down with death suggests of chaos end is the beginning of order.
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11-06-2015, 02:16 PM
RE: Atheists are religious, Atheism is a religion
T the fuck L; D fucking R.

I just skim read like 5 sentences at random and it's all fucking... gah... how do you people even? Get a life, you maniac. Stop spouting nonsense.

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11-06-2015, 02:47 PM
RE: Atheists are religious, Atheism is a religion
Is this part of a scifi novel? Needs dragons....

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11-06-2015, 02:49 PM
RE: Atheists are religious, Atheism is a religion
(11-06-2015 11:50 AM)undulationer Wrote:  
“The infinity risen from out of water greeting with nature.
Nature bursts into wisdom. Wisdom leads to crafting.
The perfection of craft for a blind eye appeals as magic. Magic tends to trick.
Tricking follows into discord. Discords nature is the key of war.
War ends down with death. Death suggests of chaos.
Chaos's end is the beginning of order.
The representation of line with two points… Order and Chaos. The never ending cycle...”

Creavi ad perdendum


The author of the following statement has the bravery of being unknown to most circles of life. An eager of spreading a just and perfect vision of the world drove my inner being in pursue of truth. Five years of little to no researching, but own mind evaluating has rendered me capable of unfolding those mysteries to the ones that seek, which till now, have been kept secret as the grave. I've derived it knowledge at first from brainwashing media, puppets of those who know. As the zombie mind began to die off I became possessed of its effects; and on over the signs of Illuminati, found the door into deep dark ocean of desires to globalize this shattered world. Remarks on great plan, which exited my curiosity so far that I revolved on accomplishing my honest scheme, without going through the forms required by the society.
My regard for the present, and respect to the future, is the only inducement to this publication, which is intended not only to affect those who, perhaps, have been lately awaken, and still remain ignorant of the true foundation of the NWO. To become the followers of invisible order of Illuminati. An opportunity of judging for themselves as to the obligation and nature of the society are going to escape into, and to confider the advantages and disadvantages of the engagements by which they are bound. Such is the intention of this undertaking an important task of throwing the fattest gambit in the history of life and death.


Phaenomenon re silentium
The future they seek

Radiation accumulated nations with cancer riot. One in every five. There were many ready to lose themselves…
The green planet. Like an apple, it’s eventually turns into red and then after inky yellow in some time. 2070s. There was time when the planet has been covered in cities and life was pushing as a train. The planet was looking grayish of monotony. 2090s nearly new century, life turned into flaming red and even the telescope of far icy satellite of Europa would’ve see the fire.
Right after 90 percent of all mass destructive weapons were sent to Mars on 2096 a machine of sorrow began to swirl across the nations. The same year World War Three dropped its wheal of depleting death on December 26th. Many believed that it was the one, the thermonuclear. The truly to be “war to end all wars”. Six years passed the war was finished in victory of neo communism party and resulted with groundbreaking 42 percent of humanity slaughtered in the process. 2120s…Mini World War four as many called was sponsored by last standing religious men propagandized to be the plague of anarchy from across the globe, they were stomped by the ruthless agenda, the logic in just two years. The utopia of believing in something great after death was killed by unstoppable science. Since then it was all about now, your sweat, your tears, your work, your every second beating heart no time to pray, its illogical elite suggested as many much bigger things with it. There were still lands where certain religion group could live in peace and prosperity, but they were rejected from the great fraction.
Due to economic crisis the world began to divide into old, settled capitalism and neo communism increasingly pushed by youth and uprising societies. Cold elitism with the limit against the free will without exit. . Cyborg future began to rise in minds of many after multiple scientific discoveries with genetically modified organs and half organic electronics. The new reforms were pushed through parliaments of continents. Religions were faded by order and science. Countries spared their history and culture on slope of internet while eventually becoming into single globalized corporation: simply called “The Earth”. The technology eventually advanced to the final stage when humans could transform their usual brain into computer, swapping their right eyeball with AI information filter. . It was pc installed directly into the mind with extra tweaks to turn into potential hard worker anyone who carries it. Plus it gave obvious advantages as well connection with lots of unusual for human body applications. Alarm, Internet, games and etc. At the age of eighteen every single inhabitant of Earth was supposed to lay on surgeons table to spare the system. After each of their move being recorded, their life began a part of 100 points cycle. Merely speaking each positive and logical effect on humanity and the planet was resulted with extra point. An invention if it was in ranks of genius may send the owner to 50 points up. On the final mark the 100 points meant a continuation of family tree for its individual. A man or woman with 100 points would've done such operation with its half that was above 50 points. The murder of human will make the obtaining reduced to 0.1 for each point and of cause jail didn’t disappear. People still had the free will to spend entire life in block two by two. The humanity was finally assorted right, thanks to technology. Recycled cities were changed with next gen technologies of pure customization in all types of products. China, Russia and USA closed all factories and then reopened many by one name, reducing human industrial activity to minimum. Later everyone agreed to proceed in same pace, putting advertisement into the grave. Even so the world was communist like, advancing to perfect the race, the cloths were blue or graffiti like, the electric cars were changing color and form on the run. Only thing was it all happened by seeing world from integrated right filter-eye. Things were gray everyone agreed, but the future since was brighter than ever...


“Illuminate your foes by creating chaos, play both sides, control all. Sacrifice the present for the sake of future. And you will succeed, those who got nothing to follow, open your eye and see the truth before life becomes harsh and full of pain. Faith controls and creates wars. Stop it and there wont be any more.” Illuminati

Each second there are more negative things humankind does then good and if we will think mathematically about it that means that once everything will end, pretty soon. Our moves are changing the physical nucleus of the reality as also recreating the chaos. Nonphysical life is our final destination to save the species...
There's an undertone in everything around you, unknown reader. Tone of possibilities in each move I can do in the next second. Casual moments could have played in different styles under particular circumstances causing me to think of many dimensions being born around us.
Here is the truth. Just like that. No church, no invitation, no paychecks and scam. No brainwashing for rich and few to get the same result... Youth will do much harder, faster, stronger and better.

The origin came from nothing. In the world of nothing there was a simple element that was missing, as it was causing significant changes into everything.
In the world of nothing, there were no rules upon anything of it nothingness. Therefore without the rule, you create new elements, because there’s nothing for it to stop.
Something created the challenge that made new worlds of different colors with crazy structural levels.
Infinity caused rules...
The rules cause challenge. Challenge cause variety as also scars upon it. Variety is continuing the infinity as scars causes the chaos. Chaos destroys or brings the rules while also the challenge gaining or losing an enormous amount of possible variety and this keeps on going without time limits. Chaos doesn't let things to unite themselves too long so it will never fill the infinity.
We are the fighting for the immortality sort of variety as also for infinity, but if we fall into chaos then we will lose rules and we would intoxicate with darkness. It's all about chance.
When the mankind will gain an absolute access over everything they ever could then we will have a possibility to create worlds in virtual realities causing new dimensions, but it got to be a perfection level that we could calculate anything so right to live for infinity time inside of the organic system, somewhere where any desires are possible immediately.

Our lifes represent a passage of choice. It's got two perpendicular endings. The circle of life and death could portray the unity at the same time the zero. Happy ending and the darkish end. The complex system of living points out on how our society works. Imagine a broken mirror in the shadow of the room. As you can see it got black details connected to white and grey. White expresses all the possible scientific discoveries of future that could be led to our saving. Black is the struggle of the past that helps us to learn on mistakes of others. Dark, white grey areas are the pentacle of this picture. It’s the mystery, the missing elements that must be found before failure or victory, but their something else sacred. Therese invisible lines that could connect the other elements across major pieces of this jigsaw. This means that's the passage of primal success will never be that easy to accomplish without using any means necessary, whether its structures of past or present. So therefore the name of the book that will serve as Illuminati's mindset is The Sleeping Scars. It represents those invisible lines for the world to find and understand. It must be vague... It meant to create different thoughts upon the ultimate questions, while silently pushes correct answers in the waves of spree. What's free will compared to future with triple dots? What's the solution of ego affecting the world in every kind of human industry? Many of other answers will be found in my book, but the understanding of those words in proper is the main game's point. I’m not here to make you think vague, but just to think above the usual human morals. Over intelligent aliens would've fun reading this extrapolated saga because they went through this problem billions of years ago. What about you? Would you have fun to see the immortalized future before it ends and then manage to end the past before the world itself? The world required it to be dissented from its future, hiding behind the past cause of understandable development... It's time for an unknown to coordinate the jurisdictions of what’s right and wrong. It's time for people to stand by its own rights. I'll show humanity what’s a utopian society really is and how it will highly improve after time. As well as not that utopian society, but quite an opposite. As I call it in the theory as the almost perfect, the final and failed traces of experiences aka by this weathered pages of the script-dimensions.

Let me give you a taste of what Sleeping Scars is going to be on one of its five dimensions.

The Negativus

Alslantima

An empty looking planet was glistering far in the deep of space across giant Jupiter. Someone inside was chanting solemn burble. Low tones of undiscovered world were whispering the unlimited triumph to their ruler…
There in the depth of mixed structures was steel golem in female form that looked surrealistic compare to any ghost of light and onyx as also reeked with its alien appearance for this reality. Its sharp outline contour was pushing with its greatness towards any of her creations. Eyes were turning dark with sparkles purple when she was silent, thinking or green with flames of flash when she was speaking. The most unusual colors of her eyes were red and silvery. Bloody spheres were shown limitedly at the times when she was wishing of something that was new. For a god, wishes were like unseen dreams. Wishing was just so fast, so spontaneous that she could have just seized it in her mind for just short period. Once there is a master that comes in and creates it in new reality. One day there is this once that changes anything into everything. Eh, how confused was she billions years ago and how bored since. Different numbers and they are everywhere. They came and never going to leave…
Presently, how about to create a world that doesn’t have numbers? Would the master be lost with it?
She looked at the Negativus. Then she turned her eyes onto the mirror particles of platform that blew her vicious stare into its own. The purple fire slept inside of her pupils and then spurted with scarlet agony of visual enthusiasm. It was actually unique…
The goddess smiled with blend set of teeth. Her cold steel nose like sword was fumbling into upper lips. The crown that resembled her status was spiked stiff out of her metallic hair.
At first when I began to settle the new life inside, there was just a core warming surroundings and raising a tremendous pasture for my creativity. My unlimited force sliced the burning orb into two equal pieces. I took one to be kept in time of war as my primary weapon against unknown owners of the cosmos. The other I left to rotate in time to bring something like day and night for the world that I named as the Negativus.
Through the aegis, the heat from the center was creating a bright energy inside that eventually ramified to shadows of darkness under the turning hemisphere. The void of obsidian screen was so cold that a bubble in oceans size flipped out and covered the interior.
The dark was gathering free source of life and as a result, the shadows turned into individual souls. Some of them then moved towards the light, while others decided to remain in chaotic places of birth. These two oppositions began to create the city around the half-orb in the rules of my word. They were almost immortal only, because of inability to survive on oppositions sector. That's why they all must run… I enjoy my observing over the onyx undulationers running circles as the light changes the position of shine. I was also happy to see their progressive intellect in terms of communication skill as from cryptic symbols on the ground to the perfect plans of creating the greatest city in the universe. Their living habit was always on the move, so they lived in similar structured inhibitors.
The purpose of life of the DL* is to create worlds as to continue the infinity.
I won my world; I've got it to the perfection level... This means that everything what was physically possible to create and analyze has been done, and only the imagination is left for the continuation of the future.
Each time the DL is ready to create a new universe, the members of the planet come to me so I choose two masters to become into part-time demigods. Light is the meaning of creation, but without another color such as any darker there wouldn't be any single particle- just only a white list.
The rules of participating in the creation of the world are simple. The light undulationers must create a perfect race of beings, which will know all the possible knowledge of their universe to be able then to move into the stage of their immortality and ability to create anything they ever wanted. They got to catch the masters innovation of life before the innovation of death gets to finishing line. The onyx undulationers must to verify their strength in order to deserve the place under the gods. If the world doesn't stand into that category then the darkness destroys the creation of light. The ones that lost their world then forever will be turned onto dark side.
Completed worlds overlap the souls of those who got to the end, but do not get the memories of those who controlled over. One life in continues activating the new one.
This was all so simple since now on was to her like nothing.
Suddenly she saw the most unexpectedly thing for her always been victorious life. The flames of her eyes extinguished as if candles under sturdy breath to the stage of silver color. Those she used to hear the gods get, in the warning of incoming danger and… within there was something else… the death of somebody closed to her, probably the closest one was.
She was so power sensible that felt someone’s lasted beat of heart on the other end of universes.
The titan in the middle shuttered around and aloud.
“Today is the day when the one who could have protected me is dead in the sign that I got not much time until my fate will end up the same.” The god Alslantima whispered in last looking at her lovingly created world from the ladder of inner planet.
Maybe that's why someone innocent fell dead for me few hours ago. I got a feeling that it may be my last world to cover… This, maybe again...
“Let us begin...” Alslanti addressed to her right hand listener Plod-U-Pas. He was her slavery toy. His silhouette was too blurry to proper explain since he was always doing something for his highest master. Just some dusky strain on legs that was squeaking full of polite speeches and in split seconds notified with finished job.
“Yes, the queen...” Within low intonation replied a tiny ghost under the shadow of his owner and spread away.
Calling signal was out on every corner of full roof-covered streets of the Negativus. The new world was about to begin...
The place of infinity where the races could have faced each other was far in the top corner of the straight ceiling of half-orb, shinning with hallowed fire. The heat on that side wasn’t that bad, just only flames coming from the coal ground.
Light ones were grouping on the way up to there, while the onyx has been already around the platform of infinity. They had been always there up in the swimming pool that vertically rained small tears of water like it had low gravity. Pure darkness was the only mansion that was fleeing around the main city followed by washing rain.
Sedin, the master of evil was wearing a shadowy red-black heavy armor and a gold mask on half face with thorns on the top. His low-shaped square look was glowing blue over uncovered skin. His eyes were bleeding the shadowy rays mixed with spooky explosions of bright.
He set on an armchair in front of a new master of light named Zefijay. The old one lost his second world and been claimed to get overthrown into lower stages of organisms to fight his way back through mysteries and another billions of years. Zefijay was here before anyone else. His simple made glowing bronze toxically mask was directed towards the Sedin with his army. He was looking so boring that the expression of him was losing in cryptic words by flaming distinction.
Riot of excitement was from all sides. Right up the heads of masters somewhere the ruler of evil was glancing on his pawn Sedin.
“Please to present, the queen of the Negativus, Alslantima!” With a scream shouted Plod-U-Pas into the crowd of phantoms.
Everything fell into silence; only the cold steps began to grow louder towards the cobbled mantel with Sedin and Zefijay. The last step up of stairs from the firing angle of semi-circle was the beginning of her speech to the masters: “I would like to see a solution by you to feed the signs of perfection.” She pointed at Zefijay as she said that.
“You, stop him, but remember if the world is worth to be, so let it.”
Sedin only nod his head down as same as the light owner did.
From the beginning of a sharp claw of Alslanti a white sheet appeared and laid down across the paved table between two masters.
Zefijay was very nervous, this was his second world and the last one he deprived, while having an unshaken body with the sign of the calm comportment and readiness to face the devil itself.
The dark wizard was imposing fear deep into his eyes, trying to convince of the future failure, silently; even so the creator of realities got his mask on so the spooky force can’t harm his mind.
“You may start, now.” Plod-U-Pas whispered to the table and gone away, following the queen to the top of the hovering stairs that was rising up into the deep of the planet.
“I want to go to the surface, alone. You will be in charge for a while till I will fully investigate the murder of my creator. It's time for you to feel the responsibility that I’m carrying every nanosecond.” Alslantima hissed to him, as she pushed Pup with a finger over the last step away of outer line.
When she reached the illuminated surface of the polychromatic planet, the owner of the Negativus sprinted up with disappears by the flash.
The most intervening aspect of life for the ghosts was about to occur soon.
Sedin released his hand over the present from the queen and his fingers clotted melting away the charcoal liquid, which fell into the center of changing emanation. A big dot was circulating around, spreading rays of shadows mixed with the light. It all grew and finally began to emerge from the leaf.
Zefijay arched his force on the cluster of animated images and flashed huge lightning out of his noxious hand. The gap with floating inside paddling objects hexed into the space within stars and galaxies. That's what was left on the convention after a few minutes while the forceful power was creating the new beginning.
Two gods were vigorously ready to trigger their future characters into the story of life and death. The ones were still small behind their backs. Souls of many began to fly upwards into the deep void dwindling, as at the same time getting closer to their masters.
The world was created... The world in which intelligent beings- human race will live on the planet that they call as the Earth…

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11-06-2015, 03:03 PM
RE: Atheists are religious, Atheism is a religion
(11-06-2015 02:47 PM)Dom Wrote:  Is this part of a scifi novel? Needs dragons....
Nope, but it got giant Bengal tigers. A mecha-octopus that thinks he's a reincarnation of Jesus Christ himself. Hecate, Eris, Mars, Svarog, Lilith and many more.

▲The infinity risen from out o h2o greeting wth nature bursts into wisdom leads to crafting perfection of craft for a blind eye appeals as magic tends to trick follows into discord nature is the key of war ends down with death suggests of chaos end is the beginning of order.
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