Atheists, beware!: Scientific proof of God found!
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11-03-2015, 01:20 PM (This post was last modified: 11-03-2015 01:26 PM by KVron.)
Atheists, beware!: Scientific proof of God found!
You can prove god's existence with a Macbook!!

Quote:Two scientists have formalized a theorem regarding the existence of God penned by mathematician Kurt Gödel.

Using an ordinary MacBook computer, they have shown that Gödel's proof was correct -- at least on a mathematical level -- by way of higher modal logic.
Their initial submission on the arXiv.org research article server is called "Formalization, Mechanization and Automation of Gödel's Proof of God's Existence."

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http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/compute...d=20678984

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11-03-2015, 01:28 PM
RE: Atheists, beware!: Scientific proof of God found!
If I'm reading the article about the paper right (can't find the paper itself), this is a demonstration of a computer's ability to engage in formal logic in showing that certain premises and axioms necessitate a certain conclusion. It does not, however, prove the uderlying truth of those premises or the conclusion that they would necessitate if true.
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11-03-2015, 01:30 PM
RE: Atheists, beware!: Scientific proof of God found!
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11-03-2015, 01:43 PM
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It's a solid advance in computing, but Gödel's theorem on God is bullshit as it rests on a specious existence assumption.

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11-03-2015, 04:52 PM
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So a computer did something it was programmed to do.

Will miracles never cease ?

I'm obviously missing the point of all this.

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11-03-2015, 07:30 PM
RE: Atheists, beware!: Scientific proof of God found!
If it proves God, the program definitely has a bug.

I am not accountable to any God. I am accountable to myself - and not because I think I am God as some theists would try to assert - but because, no matter what actions I take, thoughts I think, or words I utter, I have to be able to live with myself.
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11-03-2015, 07:53 PM
RE: Atheists, beware!: Scientific proof of God found!
(11-03-2015 01:28 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  If I'm reading the article about the paper right (can't find the paper itself), this is a demonstration of a computer's ability to engage in formal logic in showing that certain premises and axioms necessitate a certain conclusion. It does not, however, prove the uderlying truth of those premises or the conclusion that they would necessitate if true.

And as Carroll pointed out to Craig, there are any number of formal logical systems which are logically correct, but non-existent.

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11-03-2015, 07:56 PM (This post was last modified: 11-03-2015 07:59 PM by Reltzik.)
RE: Atheists, beware!: Scientific proof of God found!
(11-03-2015 04:52 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  So a computer did something it was programmed to do.

Will miracles never cease ?

I'm obviously missing the point of all this.

That's a bit like looking at a tele-operation surgical machine (which allows doctors in, say, Australia, to perform surgery on someone in, say, New York), and saying, "So a machine does what it's designed to do."

The point is that programmers were ABLE to program it to understand, track, verify, explore, and project formal logic. A new tool's been added to the arsenal (though if I understand it right, it's been around for a few years, and its only this recent silly use of it that's getting press). That capability has a lot of implications for a field like mathematics. It allows the automation and streamlining tasks that used to take weeks, months, or years, and which used to strain the capacity of human intelligence.

(11-03-2015 07:30 PM)Impulse Wrote:  If it proves God, the program definitely has a bug.

The program works just fine. The problem is lousy input (the bad premises of the ontological argument.) Garbage in, garbage out.
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11-03-2015, 09:11 PM
RE: Atheists, beware!: Scientific proof of God found!
The biggest fail is that you are trusting a Macbook for anything.
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12-03-2015, 09:36 AM
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God lives in a Macbook. Whodda thunk it? The prophet Jobs would be proud.

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