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03-08-2015, 04:49 PM
RE: Atheists for Bernie Sanders
(03-08-2015 04:46 PM)BryanS Wrote:  
(03-08-2015 02:45 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Hillary is the Dems Mitt Romney. If she is the candidate the Dems lose the white house and we end up in a theocracy via the Supreme Court invalidating the 1st amendment's separation of church and state.

She's also probably the best Dem candidate currently running. The GOP was pretty much in the same position with Romney. He was the default/leftover position for the nomination as one by one the other candidates dropped.

I would disagree with that as well. Hillary is no different, from a policy perspective, than Jeb Bush. She is everything wrong with the Democratic party. I would take any of the other candidates over her.

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03-08-2015, 10:12 PM
RE: Atheists for Bernie Sanders
I think the points that have been made all through page 3 really show why it is important that we campaign for and vote for Bernie Sanders in the primaries/caucuses. That is why I'm working for this campaign when I never have in a previous one. Anyway the other reason Hilary has more strength right now is because of her corporate backing and because of her husband once having a pretty important job. Sanders does have a real shot but the primaries are what matter more than anything else right now. It is critical to make sure that a democrate end up in the highest office this time for the very reason of protecting our first amendment from the republicans. A republican president would put the last nail in the coffin in the death of this country. I'm not sure if we really have a chance to save this country as it has likely fallen too far into the dark ages to be saved, however if we end up with a republican president then I know we are done for.
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04-08-2015, 12:44 AM
RE: Atheists for Bernie Sanders
I don't think American people want to have Marxist as their president.
If they do they deserve what they will get.
Poor, poor American people if they choose Marxist Sanders.

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04-08-2015, 12:54 AM
RE: Atheists for Bernie Sanders
(03-08-2015 10:12 PM)Flutterbee Wrote:  I think the points that have been made all through page 3 really show why it is It is critical to make sure that a democrate end up in the highest office this time for the very reason of protecting our first amendment from the republicans.
No, it is very important to protect our first amendment from the liberals. Tongue
(03-08-2015 10:12 PM)Flutterbee Wrote:  I'm not sure if we really have a chance to save this country as it has likely fallen too far into the dark ages to be saved, however if we end up with a republican president then I know we are done for.
Yes, let's fall into socialism.
Yes, Republicans hate science, technological progress and good quality of life. Thumbsup
I think we will end up with the Republican. So, we can help poor kids (especially) minorities to have vouchers and this way they can have A CHOICE of better school.
Not only rich liberal kids deserve better education.
We can secure the border. We can win ISIS. We can stop evil Putin to destroy my native country Ukraine.
we can get rid of the worst agency in the USA - EPA.

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04-08-2015, 12:56 AM
RE: Atheists for Bernie Sanders
(03-08-2015 03:55 PM)BnW Wrote:  
(02-08-2015 06:15 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  ???? What?

I second the "What?".

What does being an atheist have to do with politics?

This makes no sense to me at all.

You don't know?

Atheists wants communism cause then they will be able to make everyone atheist and/or slaughter believers. It's elementary.

Seriously though it's just part of one poster delusion and delusions I think need not to have rational basis.

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04-08-2015, 01:09 AM
RE: Atheists for Bernie Sanders
(02-08-2015 07:30 PM)cactus Wrote:  I'm not very optimistic about those numbers:
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling...U645de.pdf page 6 ----- Wrote:TREND: (If Democrat or Democratic Leaner) If the Democratic primary for President were
being held today, and the candidates were Joe Biden, Lincoln Chafee, Hillary Clinton,
Martin O'Malley, Bernie Sanders, and Jim Webb, for whom would you vote?
(Trend information is available upon request back through May 2013)

Jan 21, 2014:
    Sanders- N/A
    Clinton- 65%

Nov 26, 2014:
    Sanders- 4%
    Clinton- 57%

Jul 30, 2015:
    Sanders- 17%
    Clinton- 55%

The winner of the Iowa Straw-poll or other national polls in the early times never choose the candidate that wins. It's all so often "name recognition" before debates and details of candidates get out. Rudy Giuliani was so high in 08 because he was the most well known republican. Current GOP polls show most people support Trump/JEB Bush. Well how many people nationally know the other 18 candidates well? There are a couple but most of the people are just locally or known by those well informed of the political sphere.

But sadly the system is awful, literally the national poll doesn't matter. What matters is, Can Sanders win 2/3 of Iowa, New Hampshire, & South Carolina. What someone in another state thinks hardly has significance or hasn't for 40 years. The way the primary set-up works and especially how the media then reports and covers it boosting this system is that the Winner of Dem/Rep has to win 2 of the first 3 elections. Being from the New England area in Vermont gives Sanders a boost for the mentality and popularity of New Hampshire. But can he win over democratic primary voters in Iowa/South Carolina over Hilary? That's a much harder step to take.

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04-08-2015, 02:22 AM
RE: Atheists for Bernie Sanders
(04-08-2015 12:54 AM)Alla Wrote:  
(03-08-2015 10:12 PM)Flutterbee Wrote:  I think the points that have been made all through page 3 really show why it is It is critical to make sure that a democrate end up in the highest office this time for the very reason of protecting our first amendment from the republicans.
No, it is very important to protect our first amendment from the liberals. Tongue
(03-08-2015 10:12 PM)Flutterbee Wrote:  I'm not sure if we really have a chance to save this country as it has likely fallen too far into the dark ages to be saved, however if we end up with a republican president then I know we are done for.
Yes, let's fall into socialism.
Yes, Republicans hate science, technological progress and good quality of life. Thumbsup
I think we will end up with the Republican. So, we can help poor kids (especially) minorities to have vouchers and this way they can have A CHOICE of better school.
Not only rich liberal kids deserve better education.
We can secure the border. We can win ISIS. We can stop evil Putin to destroy my native country Ukraine.
we can get rid of the worst agency in the USA - EPA.

I see why your rep is so bad, you have everything backwards. You hate those that try to help you and protect those that harm you. Well I hope you don't get the punishment your deserve because that means I will be stuck in the same backwards country that you are. Maybe you would be best to live in the middle east where it has the kind of government you claim to want. I bet you will hate it soon after.
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04-08-2015, 10:14 AM
RE: Atheists for Bernie Sanders
(04-08-2015 12:54 AM)Alla Wrote:  
(03-08-2015 10:12 PM)Flutterbee Wrote:  I think the points that have been made all through page 3 really show why it is It is critical to make sure that a democrate end up in the highest office this time for the very reason of protecting our first amendment from the republicans.
No, it is very important to protect our first amendment from the liberals. Tongue
(03-08-2015 10:12 PM)Flutterbee Wrote:  I'm not sure if we really have a chance to save this country as it has likely fallen too far into the dark ages to be saved, however if we end up with a republican president then I know we are done for.
Yes, let's fall into socialism.
Yes, Republicans hate science, technological progress and good quality of life. Thumbsup
I think we will end up with the Republican. So, we can help poor kids (especially) minorities to have vouchers and this way they can have A CHOICE of better school.
Not only rich liberal kids deserve better education.
We can secure the border. We can win ISIS. We can stop evil Putin to destroy my native country Ukraine.
we can get rid of the worst agency in the USA - EPA.

I see you are every bit as brainwashed about politics as you are about religion.

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04-08-2015, 01:06 PM
RE: Atheists for Bernie Sanders
Erxomai (for those who dont know, was a member who used to post here) posts a lot about Bernie Sanders on facebook and I have read a lot of good things about him. I dont know if Bernie will win, he has no where near the amount of funding nor backing as Hilary. I though Ron Paul had some interesting points on your last election but had to back out in the end.

Its the same over here in the UK. Labour is having a vote for a new leader and a guy named Jeremy Corbyn who is also a socialist has been making waves and has been voted by bookmakers as the favourite to win. He is against austerity, against war and against the free ride the banks have been having. Both Jeremy and Bernie are going against a very entrenched and bought out system and have a lot to go up against. I dont wish to be negative but more realistic and going off the past and recent events (TTP, TTIP etc) the "totalitarian tiptoe" of money and the elite wont let their interests be put at risk. The occupy movement, which was haphazard and multi faceted, was basically full of people who dont believe in the current system and wanted change spread around the world and eventually got stamped out.

I used to believe a lot of conspiracy things till I came here and whilst at first I got defensive over the differentiating opinions and reality checks here, I soon realised and welcomed them. However there is the term "The new world order" and whilst I am dubious and quite indifferent to the whos and the whys, I believe something like that is happening. The powerful, influential, the movers and shakers are just ensuring their survival. Insolvent banks being bailed out and paid for, trade agreements, cispa coming back, the amount of debt and unfunded liabilities, the pointless shit the mainstream media pump out that is worlds apart from reality or is a distraction (celebrities etc) the whole system that we rely on is crumbling and sadly the people who seem to make sense and want to, you know.... actually do things that are for the good of people and dont involve profit... they have no place here in this current system.

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04-08-2015, 08:04 PM
RE: Atheists for Bernie Sanders
(04-08-2015 01:06 PM)bemore Wrote:  Erxomai (for those who dont know, was a member who used to post here) posts a lot about Bernie Sanders on facebook and I have read a lot of good things about him. I dont know if Bernie will win, he has no where near the amount of funding nor backing as Hilary. I though Ron Paul had some interesting points on your last election but had to back out in the end.

Its the same over here in the UK. Labour is having a vote for a new leader and a guy named Jeremy Corbyn who is also a socialist has been making waves and has been voted by bookmakers as the favourite to win. He is against austerity, against war and against the free ride the banks have been having. Both Jeremy and Bernie are going against a very entrenched and bought out system and have a lot to go up against. I dont wish to be negative but more realistic and going off the past and recent events (TTP, TTIP etc) the "totalitarian tiptoe" of money and the elite wont let their interests be put at risk. The occupy movement, which was haphazard and multi faceted, was basically full of people who dont believe in the current system and wanted change spread around the world and eventually got stamped out.

I used to believe a lot of conspiracy things till I came here and whilst at first I got defensive over the differentiating opinions and reality checks here, I soon realised and welcomed them. However there is the term "The new world order" and whilst I am dubious and quite indifferent to the whos and the whys, I believe something like that is happening. The powerful, influential, the movers and shakers are just ensuring their survival. Insolvent banks being bailed out and paid for, trade agreements, cispa coming back, the amount of debt and unfunded liabilities, the pointless shit the mainstream media pump out that is worlds apart from reality or is a distraction (celebrities etc) the whole system that we rely on is crumbling and sadly the people who seem to make sense and want to, you know.... actually do things that are for the good of people and dont involve profit... they have no place here in this current system.

The Occupy movement was only stomped out because of abuse by cops. Cops aren't going to be able to stop us from voting. At least not yet. The occupiers have simply had to change tactics so that they won't have to constantly be abused by cops. The Berny movement is part of the new Occupy movement as they are once of the largest forces behind it.
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