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23-09-2015, 01:43 PM
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(23-09-2015 01:33 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(23-09-2015 01:29 PM)jennybee Wrote:  I want to go to yoga but I can't because I feel like crap. Fucking God and Eve and sin and periods Sadcryface2

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I went running this eve Smile Time's improving... I'm gettin' my mojo back Smile

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Awesome about your running time! woo-hoo!! Big Grin

I think I'll do some yoga nidra and a few easy poses in a bit, but keep it light today.
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23-09-2015, 04:34 PM
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For the boxers here, that's a tough workout. Gasp

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23-09-2015, 04:43 PM
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(23-09-2015 04:34 PM)Deidre32 Wrote:  For the boxers here, that's a tough workout. Gasp

That's why I stick with boxer briefs. Thumbsup

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23-09-2015, 05:36 PM
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(23-09-2015 04:34 PM)Deidre32 Wrote:  For the boxers here, that's a tough workout. Gasp

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24-09-2015, 08:28 AM
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Another martial arts related interview. Spoilering the video only because I know it's not directly related to working out, in case any of you are getting tired of it Tongue

I just find it interesting how certain schools of martial arts will often take a route resembling religion, where they become convinced of the practicality of their art without actually requiring any proof, or with their only perceived proof being the exhibition style displays of people who already believe and whom are merely acting out those beliefs.

When I was into kung fu back in Las Vegas, my primary interest was the san da class held twice per week, which is essentially a sport of Chinese origin quite similar to muay thai, but with take downs incorporated into the scoring system. Yes, my former Shaolin monk master, Shi Xing Wei, started in the flashy traditional stuff and still performed it, but he was also a ranked san da competitor. When he was actually fighting, his style was more like muay thai than what we think of when we hear the term Shaolin kung fu. In other words, his actual fighting style was completely different than the style he used when putting on demonstrations or running through forms. The rest was fun and all, and I would go to the more traditional classes as well, but mostly for enjoyment and for the "art" aspect of the martial art. But one thing I noticed when doing freestyle sparing (as opposed to running through preplanned drills) was that those students who had a background in wrestling, boxing, muay thai, etc., almost always completely dominated those whose backgrounds were only in what I would call the less scientific, less full competition tested arts. The Jet Lis, so to speak, would always get completely destroyed by the Mike Tysons and (to be fair) the Bruce Lees, who were more willing to put their pride on the line and regularly step into the proverbial ring to put their skills to the test rather than relying on mumbo jumbo about qi and how they couldn't spar because their techniques were just too deadly to be used in competition (:cough: bullshit :cough: ) with their only proof being that their instructor told them his master's master 40 years ago could do some super secret death touch.

I guess it bothers me only because this ignorance has very real effects in the sense that self proclaimed masters who've never actually been in a fight before take it upon themselves to hold classes like women's self defense which serves to provide little more than a false sense of security.




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24-09-2015, 09:14 AM
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(24-09-2015 08:28 AM)yakherder Wrote:  Another martial arts related interview. Spoilering the video only because I know it's not directly related to working out, in case any of you are getting tired of it Tongue

I just find it interesting how certain schools of martial arts will often take a route resembling religion, where they become convinced of the practicality of their art without actually requiring any proof, or with their only perceived proof being the exhibition style displays of people who already believe and whom are merely acting out those beliefs.

When I was into kung fu back in Las Vegas, my primary interest was the san da class held twice per week, which is essentially a sport of Chinese origin quite similar to muay thai, but with take downs incorporated into the scoring system. Yes, my former Shaolin monk master, Shi Xing Wei, started in the flashy traditional stuff and still performed it, but he was also a ranked san da competitor. When he was actually fighting, his style was more like muay thai than what we think of when we hear the term Shaolin kung fu. In other words, his actual fighting style was completely different than the style he used when putting on demonstrations or running through forms. The rest was fun and all, and I would go to the more traditional classes as well, but mostly for enjoyment and for the "art" aspect of the martial art. But one thing I noticed when doing freestyle sparing (as opposed to running through preplanned drills) was that those students who had a background in wrestling, boxing, muay thai, etc., almost always completely dominated those whose backgrounds were only in what I would call the less scientific, less full competition tested arts. The Jet Lis, so to speak, would always get completely destroyed by the Mike Tysons and (to be fair) the Bruce Lees, who were more willing to put their pride on the line and regularly step into the proverbial ring to put their skills to the test rather than relying on mumbo jumbo about qi and how they couldn't spar because their techniques were just too deadly to be used in competition (:cough: bullshit :cough: ) with their only proof being that their instructor told them his master's master 40 years ago could do some super secret death touch.

I guess it bothers me only because this ignorance has very real effects in the sense that self proclaimed masters who've never actually been in a fight before take it upon themselves to hold classes like women's self defense which serves to provide little more than a false sense of security.




Interesting video. I took karate classes when I was younger and while it was good exercise--I really never felt like I could truly protect myself using those techniques if I was ever in a real life situation. Granted, I only took classes for a bit and was not an advanced martial artist in any way shape or form. Maybe if I stuck with it, I would have felt a lot more confident in being able to protect myself.

I would like to take a women's self defense course. I have seen a few women's self-defense techniques online and I have wondered how effective they would be in an actual real life situation. From your experience, what would be best courses/etc. for a woman to take to be able to defend herself?
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RE: Atheists who work out
(24-09-2015 09:14 AM)jennybee Wrote:  
(24-09-2015 08:28 AM)yakherder Wrote:  Another martial arts related interview. Spoilering the video only because I know it's not directly related to working out, in case any of you are getting tired of it Tongue

I just find it interesting how certain schools of martial arts will often take a route resembling religion, where they become convinced of the practicality of their art without actually requiring any proof, or with their only perceived proof being the exhibition style displays of people who already believe and whom are merely acting out those beliefs.

When I was into kung fu back in Las Vegas, my primary interest was the san da class held twice per week, which is essentially a sport of Chinese origin quite similar to muay thai, but with take downs incorporated into the scoring system. Yes, my former Shaolin monk master, Shi Xing Wei, started in the flashy traditional stuff and still performed it, but he was also a ranked san da competitor. When he was actually fighting, his style was more like muay thai than what we think of when we hear the term Shaolin kung fu. In other words, his actual fighting style was completely different than the style he used when putting on demonstrations or running through forms. The rest was fun and all, and I would go to the more traditional classes as well, but mostly for enjoyment and for the "art" aspect of the martial art. But one thing I noticed when doing freestyle sparing (as opposed to running through preplanned drills) was that those students who had a background in wrestling, boxing, muay thai, etc., almost always completely dominated those whose backgrounds were only in what I would call the less scientific, less full competition tested arts. The Jet Lis, so to speak, would always get completely destroyed by the Mike Tysons and (to be fair) the Bruce Lees, who were more willing to put their pride on the line and regularly step into the proverbial ring to put their skills to the test rather than relying on mumbo jumbo about qi and how they couldn't spar because their techniques were just too deadly to be used in competition (:cough: bullshit :cough: ) with their only proof being that their instructor told them his master's master 40 years ago could do some super secret death touch.

I guess it bothers me only because this ignorance has very real effects in the sense that self proclaimed masters who've never actually been in a fight before take it upon themselves to hold classes like women's self defense which serves to provide little more than a false sense of security.




Interesting video. I took karate classes when I was younger and while it was good exercise--I really never felt like I could truly protect myself using those techniques if I was ever in a real life situation. Granted, I only took classes for a bit and was not an advanced martial artist in any way shape or form. Maybe if I stuck with it, I would have felt a lot more confident in being able to protect myself.

I would like to take a women's self defense course. I have seen a few women's self-defense techniques online and I have wondered how effective they would be in an actual real life situation. From your experience, what would be best courses/etc. for a woman to take to be able to defend herself?

In my opinion, women's self defense is not rationally any different than any other self defense. The principles that determine whether or not it will work are still the same.

The best way to get away from a fight is to run. In that regards, sprint training is probably the best way to defend yourself. You might find this article interesting:
Are you fit enough to escape?
This is not meant as a jab at out of shape people (which I know you're not), just an acknowledgement of reality.

That said, if you've been caught, it's probably by surprise and, as a woman, it's statistically likely you'll be dealing with a larger, stronger attacker. It is, thus, safe to assume you may end up on the ground. A good understanding of ground fighting can make even a smaller person quite frustrating to deal with, and if you know what to look for and your attacker is not used to ground fighting, it's not difficult to find an opportunity to slip in a triangle choke or hyper extend their arm (in a real life situation, don't stop, break that shit in half then escape). For that I'd suggest the ever so popular Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. It also wouldn't hurt to learn how to throw a proper strike, and for that I'd suggest Muay Thai or traditional boxing. You don't need to become an expert, you just need to know enough to understand where hitting someone is likely to daze them and where the damage is going to be superficial and just piss them off. If you're in California, you should be able to find a decent school on every other street corner Smile I've also become a fan of Krav Maga lately, though it can be more difficult to find a good school. That's what I've been taking in Montreal, and the instructor is a former Israeli executive protection professional who regularly trains with Israeli IDF.

In any case, you're not going to become an expert in a one hour seminar style class no matter how relevant the techniques are. If you truly want to learn how to defend yourself, make it a hobby that you regularly take part in. If you can't do that, for whatever reason, then you're better off just making sure you're in good enough shape to out sprint an 18 to 40 year old male in slightly above average physical condition (the typical attacker).

Also ('Murica!) be as armed as you can legally be, and be sure to do regular drills and read up on statistics, watch videos, etc. of encounters involving whatever weapon you choose to use so you know what actually works and what doesn't. Don't count on pepper spray, for example, to magically work without practice.

And don't feel sorry an attacker. This is, ironically, a big problem. People who are attacked who are not habitually violent people often hold themselves back from defending themselves because the prospect of injuring someone, even someone trying to do harm to them, is so new to them they can't bring themselves to do it in the heat of the moment. If someone is trying to make a victim of you, they lose their right to mercy. Bite their nose off, and while you're at it grab their balls and rip those off too. Don't stop just because they scream and beg. If they're not crippled, the second you let up they're gonna go back to attacking you and you may have lost the only opportunity you're gonna get.

There's an amazing Facebook page called "Active Self Protection." Yeah, it has religious overtones, and is definitely pro gun, but the information he provides and the analyses he does on various footage of real self defense encounters is quite relevant regardless of one's beliefs or political standing.

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24-09-2015, 10:11 AM
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My boyfriend just told me I'll probably have his old elliptical in a few days and I'm really excited! Let's hope it works Tongue

This may be a way for me to get more active again, I got sick and tired of walking around the neighborhood and I need to lose weight and feel healthier. I don't ever seem to achieve it. I'm hoping that exercising inside the house may keep me motivated.

What do you guys think about this kind of exercise?

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24-09-2015, 10:12 AM
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(24-09-2015 09:55 AM)yakherder Wrote:  
(24-09-2015 09:14 AM)jennybee Wrote:  Interesting video. I took karate classes when I was younger and while it was good exercise--I really never felt like I could truly protect myself using those techniques if I was ever in a real life situation. Granted, I only took classes for a bit and was not an advanced martial artist in any way shape or form. Maybe if I stuck with it, I would have felt a lot more confident in being able to protect myself.

I would like to take a women's self defense course. I have seen a few women's self-defense techniques online and I have wondered how effective they would be in an actual real life situation. From your experience, what would be best courses/etc. for a woman to take to be able to defend herself?

In my opinion, women's self defense is not rationally any different than any other self defense. The principles that determine whether or not it will work are still the same.

The best way to get away from a fight is to run. In that regards, sprint training is probably the best way to defend yourself. You might find this article interesting:
Are you fit enough to escape?
This is not meant as a jab at out of shape people (which I know you're not), just an acknowledgement of reality.

That said, if you've been caught, it's probably by surprise and, as a woman, it's statistically likely you'll be dealing with a larger, stronger attacker. It is, thus, safe to assume you may end up on the ground. A good understanding of ground fighting can make even a smaller person quite frustrating to deal with, and if you know what to look for and your attacker is not used to ground fighting, it's not difficult to find an opportunity to slip in a triangle choke or hyper extend their arm (in a real life situation, don't stop, break that shit in half then escape). For that I'd suggest the ever so popular Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. It also wouldn't hurt to learn how to throw a proper strike, and for that I'd suggest Muay Thai or traditional boxing. You don't need to become an expert, you just need to know enough to understand where hitting someone is likely to daze them and where the damage is going to be superficial and just piss them off. If you're in California, you should be able to find a decent school on every other street corner Smile I've also become a fan of Krav Maga lately, though it can be more difficult to find a good school. That's what I've been taking in Montreal, and the instructor is a former Israeli executive protection professional who regularly trains with Israeli IDF.

In any case, you're not going to become an expert in a one hour seminar style class no matter how relevant the techniques are. If you truly want to learn how to defend yourself, make it a hobby that you regularly take part in. If you can't do that, for whatever reason, then you're better off just making sure you're in good enough shape to out sprint an 18 to 40 year old male in slightly above average physical condition (the typical attacker).

Also ('Murica!) be as armed as you can legally be, and be sure to do regular drills and read up on statistics, watch videos, etc. of encounters involving whatever weapon you choose to use so you know what actually works and what doesn't. Don't count on pepper spray, for example, to magically work without practice.

And don't feel sorry an attacker. This is, ironically, a big problem. People who are attacked who are not habitually violent people often hold themselves back from defending themselves because the prospect of injuring someone, even someone trying to do harm to them, is so new to them they can't bring themselves to do it in the heat of the moment. If someone is trying to make a victim of you, they lose their right to mercy. Bite their nose off, and while you're at it grab their balls and rip those off too. Don't stop just because they scream and beg. If they're not crippled, the second you let up they're gonna go back to attacking you and you may have lost the only opportunity you're gonna get.

There's an amazing Facebook page called "Active Self Protection." Yeah, it has religious overtones, and is definitely pro gun, but the information he provides and the analyses he does on various footage of real self defense encounters is quite relevant regardless of one's beliefs or political standing.


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24-09-2015, 10:28 AM
RE: Atheists who work out
(24-09-2015 09:55 AM)yakherder Wrote:  
(24-09-2015 09:14 AM)jennybee Wrote:  Interesting video. I took karate classes when I was younger and while it was good exercise--I really never felt like I could truly protect myself using those techniques if I was ever in a real life situation. Granted, I only took classes for a bit and was not an advanced martial artist in any way shape or form. Maybe if I stuck with it, I would have felt a lot more confident in being able to protect myself.

I would like to take a women's self defense course. I have seen a few women's self-defense techniques online and I have wondered how effective they would be in an actual real life situation. From your experience, what would be best courses/etc. for a woman to take to be able to defend herself?

In my opinion, women's self defense is not rationally any different than any other self defense. The principles that determine whether or not it will work are still the same.

The best way to get away from a fight is to run. In that regards, sprint training is probably the best way to defend yourself. You might find this article interesting:
Are you fit enough to escape?
This is not meant as a jab at out of shape people (which I know you're not), just an acknowledgement of reality.

That said, if you've been caught, it's probably by surprise and, as a woman, it's statistically likely you'll be dealing with a larger, stronger attacker. It is, thus, safe to assume you may end up on the ground. A good understanding of ground fighting can make even a smaller person quite frustrating to deal with, and if you know what to look for and your attacker is not used to ground fighting, it's not difficult to find an opportunity to slip in a triangle choke or hyper extend their arm (in a real life situation, don't stop, break that shit in half then escape). For that I'd suggest the ever so popular Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. It also wouldn't hurt to learn how to throw a proper strike, and for that I'd suggest Muay Thai or traditional boxing. You don't need to become an expert, you just need to know enough to understand where hitting someone is likely to daze them and where the damage is going to be superficial and just piss them off. If you're in California, you should be able to find a decent school on every other street corner Smile I've also become a fan of Krav Maga lately, though it can be more difficult to find a good school. That's what I've been taking in Montreal, and the instructor is a former Israeli executive protection professional who regularly trains with Israeli IDF.

In any case, you're not going to become an expert in a one hour seminar style class no matter how relevant the techniques are. If you truly want to learn how to defend yourself, make it a hobby that you regularly take part in. If you can't do that, for whatever reason, then you're better off just making sure you're in good enough shape to out sprint an 18 to 40 year old male in slightly above average physical condition (the typical attacker).

Also ('Murica!) be as armed as you can legally be, and be sure to do regular drills and read up on statistics, watch videos, etc. of encounters involving whatever weapon you choose to use so you know what actually works and what doesn't. Don't count on pepper spray, for example, to magically work without practice.

And don't feel sorry an attacker. This is, ironically, a big problem. People who are attacked who are not habitually violent people often hold themselves back from defending themselves because the prospect of injuring someone, even someone trying to do harm to them, is so new to them they can't bring themselves to do it in the heat of the moment. If someone is trying to make a victim of you, they lose their right to mercy. Bite their nose off, and while you're at it grab their balls and rip those off too. Don't stop just because they scream and beg. If they're not crippled, the second you let up they're gonna go back to attacking you and you may have lost the only opportunity you're gonna get.

There's an amazing Facebook page called "Active Self Protection." Yeah, it has religious overtones, and is definitely pro gun, but the information he provides and the analyses he does on various footage of real self defense encounters is quite relevant regardless of one's beliefs or political standing.

When I was living in the city, I would often see women walking around, digging through their purses, and talking on phones, completely oblivious to all the shit going on around them. I think that also puts "Target" right on your forehead. I wish that wasn't the case for women--to have to be on guard--but unfortunately, it is reality.

Even being on guard, shit happens. I was outside a grocery store, grabbing a cart and some random dude came up to me from behind. He put his arm around my shoulders (like you would do to a girlfriend) and started hitting on me. It was extra scary because he had his hands on me. I threw his hand off my shoulder and told him to get the fuck away from me--but that whole situation could've turned bad real fast. I also had some weird guy show up at my new house when we first moved in. My house is gated but has this decorative trellis on top of the fence. I took my dog into my yard to go to the bathroom and I see this creepy guy peering at me through the holes in my fence, not saying anything, just staring. Luckily, I keep my gate locked from the inside. So I was like um, can I help you? And he told me he was a workman that was from Home Depot and needed to check the windows for blinds or some shit. And we had been having a lot of workmen come to my house to fix it. Still, I didn't let him in. I called my boyfriend to see if he scheduled something with Home Depot, he said he didn't. I told the guy to leave and he sat in his car in my driveway and wouldn't leave for awhile. It was pretty scary. Anyway, I definitely want to do something to be able to protect myself.

I've been really interested in taking Krav Maga for awhile. I watched some videos with this lady who really kicks ass. However, I didn't know if it was really something a woman could use in terms of protection against a male attacker or if it was just staged fighting in the videos (kind of like Joe Rogan said about the videos they were watching).

I am vegan and do yoga and believe in a peaceful existence, however, I would not think twice about killing someone in self-defense. I think the sprinting practice is a good idea. It would be much better to get out of the situation instead of having to engage in some sort of altercation.
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