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02-08-2015, 09:59 AM
RE: Athiesm is illogical
Brandenburg is a dump.

It`s a tumor on Berlin that wishes it could be Berlin but will never rise to it`s glory!

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02-08-2015, 01:56 PM
RE: Athiesm is illogical
People go and make all these claims about the low chances and there is some validity but then the gigantic leap happens.

God=highly logical? Um... how so? Of course that one is never examined just asserted.

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02-08-2015, 02:12 PM
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(02-08-2015 07:52 AM)Anjele Wrote:  Is someone here recruiting these people?

This is the largest influx of theists I have seen here.

Can't we have a quota and when that's filled no more are allowed entrance?

Safe haven my butt.

Can we at least make them pass a test first? Set a minimum number of brain cells or something?

(02-08-2015 09:59 AM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  Brandenburg is a dump.

It`s a tumor on Berlin that wishes it could be Berlin but will never rise to it`s glory!

Butbutbut I like its Concertos.

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02-08-2015, 02:18 PM
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(02-08-2015 06:31 AM)Brandenburg Wrote:  Reasoning:
Universe - many billions of years old
Earth - much less so
Planets - millions if not billions
advanced tech on Earth - a few years
possibility of advanced tech on other planets - 99.999999%
possibility of runaway advancement beyond what we know as tech - highly likely
possibility of inorganic beings - no way of knowing as we are no where near that state of "evolution"
Probability we are the most advanced entities in the universe - infinitesimally small
Possible risk in assuming we are the most advanced entities in the universe - potentially catastrophic
God (understood as a higher being) - highly logical
Our understanding of God - work in progress for many
Deniers of God - nieve[/font]

Theism is illogical
Reasoning:

Universe - billions of years old, this has no correlation to a God

Earth - 4.54 billion years old, this has no correlation to a God

Planets - Hubble telescope can see 400+ billion planetary objects, this has no correlation to a God

advanced tech on earth - developed over time by man, this has no correlation to a God

possibility of advanced tech on other planets - Hubble telescope can see 400+ billion planetary objects, odds are there may be some form of life on other planets. This form of life may be less advanced than us, or more advanced than us, either way, this has no correlation to a God

possibility of runaway advancement beyond what we know as tech - what in the world are you prattling on about here? Technology is developed by man, just like man created God, and the possibility of “runaway advancements”has no correlation to a God

possibility of inorganic beings - again, billions of planets, it would be ignorant to posit that there is zero chance that some form of life could exist elsewhere in the universe. Either way, this has no correlation to a God

probability we are the most advanced entities and the universe - who knows? Again, I point you back to the number of known stars/planets, odds are, beyond the range of the Hubble telescope, or trillions more stars and planets. The possibilities are endless, but none of this points to a God. What does point to his sheer numbers, with 400+ billion known planets, the odds that at least one would have the right conditions to encourage life is apparently at least one: Earth. If a God had created the heavens and the earth like the fictional book Bible asserts, there would be Earth, the moon, and the sun. No need for 400+ plus billion planets, or even trillions of planets.

Possible risk in assuming we are the most advanced entities in the universe - what the fuck are you talking about… Again, more drivel, and does not point to the existence of a God

God - highly illogical. When you graduate Junior high school, and take some higher-level courses, perhaps you will learn about the plethora of scientific, archaeological, historical, and genetic evidence that is available for all to review, which does not substantiate a designer. If we were designed in our current form, we would not have 98% of our DNA turned off, dormant genes no longer used as we evolved from other forms, we would not have a vestigial organs and bone formations that show our evolution from an earlier form… Seek education, you need it. Meanwhile, enjoy the cancer-causing rays from the sun that your perfect creator put in the sky for us.

Our understanding of God - fictional. The creator of God was man. All creation stories can be traced back to their fabrication, and assimilation. All creation stories can be debunked via real-world evidence. There is no God, for it there was one, there would be evidence of him. No evidence equals no God. Analysis of the world around us shows chance a circumstance, not design, it shows evolution, not design… What it does not show is evidence of a creator.

Deniers of God - atheists. A highly evolved, intellectual, educated, and intelligent human being who has decided that magic does not exist, nor need it exist.

What else do you have to submit child?

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02-08-2015, 02:26 PM
RE: Athiesm is illogical
Doesn't matter whether Jebus or atheism is logical or illogical. Human brains evolved on the savannahs of Africa to deal with reality in a very narrow range. Much outside that range has been proven true, even though it appears 'illogical" to human brains ; ( double slit, uncertainty, relativity). Logic is necessary but insufficient. Evidence is all ya gots left. Whatever gods you're talking about, you have no evidence.

Brandenburg, I challenge you. Define "existence" and in doing so, employ no temporal concept. (Hint: gods ''existing" is as illogical as anything can be).

Take your time.

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02-08-2015, 02:45 PM
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Number of zombie movies: billions
Percentage of movies based on true stories: 43% (resource: pulled out of ass)
Chance that one of those billions of zombie movies is real: 43% of billions (way more than 100%)
Times zombie apocalypse mentioned in the bible: 0
Therefore bible is irrational.

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02-08-2015, 06:18 PM
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(02-08-2015 02:45 PM)yakherder Wrote:  Number of zombie movies: billions
Percentage of movies based on true stories: 43% (resource: pulled out of ass)
Chance that one of those billions of zombie movies is real: 43% of billions (way more than 100%)
Times zombie apocalypse mentioned in the bible: 0
Therefore bible is irrational.

Actually, there was one minor zombie invasion mentioned when Jebus died. Not exactly an apocalypse, but still...

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02-08-2015, 06:41 PM
RE: Athiesm is illogical
In addition to the good refutes others have made here I'd like to make another statement that some Atheists may disagree with.

If your definition of a god is simply a living being that is more technologically advanced and evolved beyond human beings, then I think it is very fair to say that it is quite likely that such beings exist and therefor you could say there is probably a god somewhere. However the vast majority of people define "god" to mean a supernatural being that exists right here on this planet and around this planet that has an effect on our lives in some way and desires us to worship it. Using the widely accepted definition of a god it is completely illogical and IMHO extremely stupid and insane to think that such a being exists.

People don't even just define god that way though, they define a very specific god that only they and the religious leaders they follow have the correct definition for and that all other versions of a god are false, even within their own broad religion. That is the most common definition of a god and the type of god that we really cannot logically believe in. Nobody with a functional adult brain and any sense of logic could think that this very specific version of a deity exists to the exclusion of all others.

To use a similar format as before:

Possibility of the existence of more evolved and more technologly advanced living beings on other planets that we have no current way of communicating with - highly probable.

Possibility of any form of a supernatural being that has all power over our planet and our human race that desires our love and worship - false beyond any reasonable doubt

Possibility of any particular theist actually being correct in their own personal views on what this god is really like and really wants and actually knowing the will of said god, being able to communicate with it, and all other people with their own beliefs being wrong? Totally impossible far beyond any reasonable doubt

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02-08-2015, 06:49 PM
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(02-08-2015 06:31 AM)Brandenburg Wrote:  Probability we are the most advanced entities in the universe - infinitesimally small
Possible risk in assuming we are the most advanced entities in the universe - potentially catastrophic
God (understood as a higher being) - highly logical
So, it appears that your definition of a god is a "higher being", I presume you mean "higher" in context of humans i.e. higher than humans.
If you are speaking literally then giraffes are higher, and elephants, also animals that live in trees such as birds and monkeys and many insects.

If you mean "higher" in terms of "better" then we could consider the rabbit as being faster than us, dogs, cats, deer, antelope, mice, squirrels, horses, pretty much most animals are faster.
If we are talking strength then we have elephants, rhinos, whales, bears, lions, tigers, non human apes...
If we are talking reactions then flies, cats, dogs, snakes ...
If we are talking ability to win a fight then hippos, crocodiles, lions, elephants, snakes, bears, non human apes.

It seems to me that us humans are surrounded by many gods.
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02-08-2015, 07:02 PM
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(02-08-2015 02:45 PM)yakherder Wrote:  Number of zombie movies: billions
Percentage of movies based on true stories: 43% (resource: pulled out of ass)
Chance that one of those billions of zombie movies is real: 43% of billions (way more than 100%)
Times zombie apocalypse mentioned in the bible: 0
Therefore bible is irrational.

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