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18-08-2015, 07:16 AM
RE: Athiesm is illogical
(18-08-2015 07:13 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Free Thought, I got all fired up over that comment he made, and was going to write something along that line, but there's no way I could have said it better. So I'll just post the only thing that's appropriate:

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Well done, FT. Well done.

I got all fired up congratulating Free Thought, I was gonna write something like you did, but there's no way I could have said it better. So...

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Well done RocketSurgeon, well done Big Grin

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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18-08-2015, 01:00 PM
RE: Athiesm is illogical
(18-08-2015 05:47 AM)David Kragt Wrote:  There are only two possibilities; God exists or life is totally meaningless.

The universe is under no obligation to be nice.

"Owl," said Rabbit shortly, "you and I have brains. The others have fluff. If there is any thinking to be done in this Forest - and when I say thinking I mean thinking - you and I must do it."
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18-08-2015, 01:27 PM
RE: Athiesm is illogical
(18-08-2015 05:47 AM)David Kragt Wrote:  
(18-08-2015 05:31 AM)morondog Wrote:  Why aren't you dead then?

I based my above arguments on science and reason. I assumed for the sake of argument that atheists are correct when they say God doesn't exist.

I happen to believe that God does exist which changes my perspective completely.

There are only two possibilities; God exists or life is totally meaningless.

That's completely untrue, while I don't accept there is, there are positions of people that "could" be true that believe in no GOD/Deity/Cosmic being existing but believe the universe itself has an inherent meaning and view consciousness as a grand force being evolved towards with higher layers of meaning existing within it... but nothing about that is a Godly essence.

But yeah with a totally meaningless life, you can make your own meaning or not make your own meaning, so what either way. Try to enjoy the ride and not bother it for other people so much

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18-08-2015, 03:46 PM
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(02-08-2015 07:52 AM)Anjele Wrote:  Is someone here recruiting these people?

This is the largest influx of theists I have seen here.

Can't we have a quota and when that's filled no more are allowed entrance?

Safe haven my butt.

Well then!
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18-08-2015, 03:55 PM
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(18-08-2015 03:46 PM)Aliza Wrote:  
(02-08-2015 07:52 AM)Anjele Wrote:  Is someone here recruiting these people?

This is the largest influx of theists I have seen here.

Can't we have a quota and when that's filled no more are allowed entrance?

Safe haven my butt.

Well then!

'SOK Aliza, we only don't like the horrible ones. As long as you don't start telling us how we're all gonna die and it won't be fun, we'll be good mates. Oh yeah, and don't stress about the theist bashing... as ol' GKC would say:

"I knew no harm of Bonaparte
And plenty of the squire
And for to fight the Frenchman
I did not much desire
But I did bash their baggonettes
Because they came arrayed
To straighten out the crooked road
An English drunkard made"

Basically it's just baggonette bashing, unless theists attempt their own bashing. Then the knives come out Wink We like our crooked roads just fine.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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18-08-2015, 05:27 PM
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(02-08-2015 06:18 PM)TurkeyBurner Wrote:  
(02-08-2015 02:45 PM)yakherder Wrote:  Number of zombie movies: billions
Percentage of movies based on true stories: 43% (resource: pulled out of ass)
Chance that one of those billions of zombie movies is real: 43% of billions (way more than 100%)
Times zombie apocalypse mentioned in the bible: 0
Therefore bible is irrational.

Actually, there was one minor zombie invasion mentioned when Jebus died. Not exactly an apocalypse, but still...

This needs to be turned into a screenplay, ASAP. Barabbas stars as the anti-hero.
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19-08-2015, 03:51 AM
RE: Athiesm is illogical
(18-08-2015 03:46 PM)Aliza Wrote:  
(02-08-2015 07:52 AM)Anjele Wrote:  Is someone here recruiting these people?

This is the largest influx of theists I have seen here.

Can't we have a quota and when that's filled no more are allowed entrance?

Safe haven my butt.

Well then!

I would consider it a good thing. They may learn something and finally develop a thinking, adult brain. Really most of them are likely coming because they already have doubts and are making an excuse that they are coming here to try to preach to us.
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19-08-2015, 01:57 PM
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(18-08-2015 05:24 AM)David Kragt Wrote:  Mr Dawkins wrote a book about evolution titled "The greatest show on earth". I haven't read the book but I'm betting he didn't tell the readerthat after the show is over everyone suffers from "amnesia" What is the point in going to a show if you have no memory of it after the show is over. It seems like a total waste to me.

Okay, so basically... "I haven't read the book, but I'm going to take the title as strictly literally as possible based on the absolutely no knowledge of the content that I have, and therefore this is somehow an argument."

That's entirely ridiculous on its own, but then you go on to defend your utter tripe:

Quote:I based my above arguments on science and reason. I assumed for the sake of argument that atheists are correct when they say God doesn't exist.

Okay, so first of all, how can you be basing an argument on science and reason if the entire thing is nothing but a petty emotional appeal designed to make people feel bad about things being impermanent? Think before you talk shit.

Secondly, evolution is not a strictly atheistic concept, and so pointing to a book about evolution and using the title (because again, you're too intellectually bereft to have actually read the book before you passed judgment on it) to point out what you perceive to be a problem with atheism is just aiming at the wrong target, but I guess it's also too much of an ask that you understand anything at all about what you open your mouth to discuss, so hey.

So what happened here? You tried to use a book you hadn't read, to discuss a topic you didn't understand, to attempt to erect a false dichotomy about atheism. You failed, which is unsurprising, but the worst part is that you couldn't even get the usual inane christian talking point right, because it's not "god exists/life is totally meaningless," it's "god exists, or there is no ultimate meaning," which at least has the benefit of being unfalsifiable because of how vague "ultimate" is. What you said is trivially falsifiable, because if god doesn't exist I'm still able to imbue my life with subjective, personal meaning, that meaning is meaning, and any amount of meaning renders your claim of "total meaninglessness," wrong on the face of it.

Damn, man. You done fucked up at every conceivable level, here.
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22-08-2015, 09:50 PM
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(18-08-2015 05:24 AM)David Kragt Wrote:  Mr Dawkins wrote a book about evolution titled "The greatest show on earth". I haven't read the book....

Riiiiight about there is where your opinion on the book stops being worth a shit.Drinking Beverage

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05-10-2015, 07:42 PM
RE: Athiesm is illogical
(15-08-2015 04:48 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(15-08-2015 11:52 AM)David Kragt Wrote:  My point is there is no point in trying to save the planet or even trying to save humanity because there is nothing we can do to prevent our demise.

And now class, here we have a fantastic representation of a person taking known facts and extrapolating them out to absurdity.

While he is accurate in saying that the earth will eventually be destroyed, and humanity will eventually stop existing, he fails to take into account the time difference between these events and now; humanity has at the most ~5 billion years to continue existing if the view is centred around the sun (though this is span of time is highly unlikely). There is no reason not to attempt to keep the planet on which we live habitable (to 'save' the planet, in order words) in the meantime and ensure the continuation of human existence by doing so.

Let's make a game of it; what can we decide is no longer worth doing because it has a finite time limit? I'll start:
All humans will eventually die; there is no point in attempting to live due to this fact.

Neil DeGrasse Tyson said;"We are on a one way trip to oblivion. " I heard him say it. Does that make him guilty of extrapolating to absurdity? Besides that was my best scenario. Our demise could happen much sooner. Terrorists could detonate enough dirty bombs to wipe us out in the near future. We could get wiped out by war, famine, or disease. Scientists say a meteor could strike the earth within the next 30,000 years and wipe us out.

The universe existed long before we arrived. It started on its current course without us, it continues on the same course it would have had we not arrived, and it will continue on precisely the same course after we are gone. We are completely irrelevant to the universe. We contribute nothing to the universe. We are completely insignificant in the universe. We serve no purpose in the universe. We are helpless bystanders. How interesting, look up the word meaningless in your Thesaurus and you will find several of my aforementioned words right there.

Dave K
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