Atwill Documentary...excellent stuff
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04-06-2014, 05:39 PM
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RE: Atwill Documentary...excellent stuff
(04-06-2014 03:45 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:(03-06-2014 04:33 PM)Chas Wrote: It is supposition and twisting of facts, unsupported by hard evidence. In short, a conspiracy theory. I watched thew video. I am sorry that you have fallen for this crackpot shit. Maybe you'll come to your senses and possibly do something useful. Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims. Science is not a subject, but a method. ![]() |
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04-06-2014, 09:07 PM
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RE: Atwill Documentary...excellent stuff
(04-06-2014 05:39 PM)Chas Wrote:(04-06-2014 03:45 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote: Which facts have been twisted? You may be right. Yet I'm entitled to an opinion, just as you are. Not sure why you think I'm not doing anything useful. We all learn when history is discussed. I'd like you to join in the discussion by contributing your knowledge rather than just repeatedly heaping shit on Atwill. |
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04-06-2014, 09:39 PM
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RE: Atwill Documentary...excellent stuff
(03-06-2014 08:50 AM)Chas Wrote:(03-06-2014 02:25 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote: Re..."They were trying to make the case that the jesus story is related to pagan myths. Its seemed to me to be a very weak case." from Wikipedia... "A conspiracy theory is an explanatory proposition that accuses two or more persons, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an illegal or harmful event or situation.[1][2][3] Some scholars suggest that people formulate conspiracy theories to explain, for example, power relations in social groups and the existence of evil forces.[4][5][6][7] It has been suggested by some thinkers that conspiracy theories have chiefly psychological or socio-political origins. Proposed psychological origins include projection; the personal need to explain “a significant event [with] a significant cause;" and the product of various kinds and stages of thought disorder, such as paranoid disposition, ranging in severity to diagnosable mental illnesses. Similarly, socio-political origins may be discovered in the need of people to believe in event causation rather than suffer the insecurity of a random world and universe.[8][9][10][11][12][13] The effects of a world view that places conspiracy theories centrally in the unfolding of history have been debated, with some saying that it has become “the dominant paradigm of political action in the public mind." Although the term "conspiracy theory" has acquired a derogatory meaning over time and is often used to dismiss or ridicule beliefs in conspiracies[disambiguation needed] including ones that turn out to be real, it has also continued to be used by some to refer to actual, proven conspiracies, such as U.S. President Richard Nixon and his aides conspiring to cover up Watergate." Yes...this is a conspiracy theory. That doesn't necessarily mean it's not true. |
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04-06-2014, 10:37 PM
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RE: Atwill Documentary...excellent stuff
I don't want to speak for Chas but when he said "conspiracy theory" I think he meant it less in the dictionary sense and more in the pejorative sense. More the kinda of conspiracy theory thinking of " taking disparate and often unrelated facts and weaving a narrative that is not entirely justified" sense.
I'm not weighing in on the debate for or against anyone that's just how I took it and I'm sure Chas will correct me if I'm wrong. |
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05-06-2014, 02:07 AM
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RE: Atwill Documentary...excellent stuff
(04-06-2014 10:37 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote: I don't want to speak for Chas but when he said "conspiracy theory" I think he meant it less in the dictionary sense and more in the pejorative sense. More the kinda of conspiracy theory thinking of " taking disparate and often unrelated facts and weaving a narrative that is not entirely justified" sense. I'm sure that's what he meant too. Hopefully he'll address some specifics as to why he thinks Atwill's theory is bogus. It's impossible to debate the issue with him if he doesn't. |
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05-06-2014, 03:23 AM
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RE: Atwill Documentary...excellent stuff
(04-06-2014 09:07 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:(04-06-2014 05:39 PM)Chas Wrote: I watched thew video. I am sorry that you have fallen for this crackpot shit. I am adding to the discussion by pointing out that the discussion is based on crap. You may as well discuss why aliens built the pyramids. Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims. Science is not a subject, but a method. ![]() |
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05-06-2014, 03:25 AM
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RE: Atwill Documentary...excellent stuff
(05-06-2014 02:07 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:(04-06-2014 10:37 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote: I don't want to speak for Chas but when he said "conspiracy theory" I think he meant it less in the dictionary sense and more in the pejorative sense. More the kinda of conspiracy theory thinking of " taking disparate and often unrelated facts and weaving a narrative that is not entirely justified" sense. I have already made the point: You have supposition and you do not have evidence. Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims. Science is not a subject, but a method. ![]() |
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05-06-2014, 03:42 AM
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RE: Atwill Documentary...excellent stuff
(05-06-2014 03:25 AM)Chas Wrote:(05-06-2014 02:07 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote: I'm sure that's what he meant too. Hopefully he'll address some specifics as to why he thinks Atwill's theory is bogus. It's impossible to debate the issue with him if he doesn't. supposition |ˌsʌpəˈzɪʃ(ə)n| noun a belief held without proof or certain knowledge; an assumption or hypothesis: Yes...the theory is supposition. If there was definitive evidence it would be fact. What's your problem with that? Have you never discussed JFK's murder? The big bang theory? How WW1 started? You're just making noise. You haven't contributed anything to the discussion. And I know you're smart, so you should do better than this. Demonstrate you actually know something about these ancient times or fuck off. |
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05-06-2014, 04:29 AM
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RE: Atwill Documentary...excellent stuff
(05-06-2014 03:42 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:(05-06-2014 03:25 AM)Chas Wrote: I have already made the point: You have supposition and you do not have evidence. I know enough to recognize bullshit when I see it. Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims. Science is not a subject, but a method. ![]() |
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05-06-2014, 05:37 AM
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RE: Atwill Documentary...excellent stuff
(05-06-2014 04:29 AM)Chas Wrote:(05-06-2014 03:42 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote: supposition |ˌsʌpəˈzɪʃ(ə)n| Chas, this is the thinking atheist forum. We're here to think and learn from each other. I want to learn from you. I value your opinion. I actually read what you write. But you've said the same thing over and over in every post, and haven't contributed more than one useful piece of information. You've not negated or commented on a whole world of information I've shared with you. That devalues my efforts and spoils a good conversation. By the way, I don't have an overwhelming need to be right. I do, however, want to learn, especially from smart people. Let's put our egos in our back pockets. I would love your opinion on the following podcast from someone who (probably) knows nothing about Atwill... http://thehistoryofrome.typepad.com/the_...roved.html Does it not add a little credibility to Atwill's theory? |
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