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18-06-2011, 09:44 PM (This post was last modified: 18-06-2011 09:52 PM by Lilith Pride.)
RE: Ayn Rand and the schism in Republican Party
Apparently I am mistaken, was thinking he was one of the serious anti-gay legislators.

I retract my statement and will go read up on him to make sure I get the right person.

I'm not a non believer, I believe in the possibility of anything. I just don't let the actuality of something be determined by a 3rd party.
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19-06-2011, 01:39 PM (This post was last modified: 19-06-2011 01:45 PM by GirlyMan.)
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(18-06-2011 07:26 PM)BnW Wrote:  
(18-06-2011 07:00 PM)Lilith Pride Wrote:  Ron Paul would have me killed if elected. That just kind of makes a vote for him by me a bit illogical.

Are you sure you are thinking of Ron Paul? This is the guy who advocated for gay marriage and the legalization of heroin so people can make choices for themselves. I can't see him advocating have anyone, outside may of convicted murderers, killed. Can you elaborate on what you're referring to?

(18-06-2011 09:44 PM)Lilith Pride Wrote:  Apparently I am mistaken, was thinking he was one of the serious anti-gay legislators.

Yeah, he's a Libertarian who just wants to let you be. But there are any number of other Republicans you may be thinking of ...

(17-06-2011 04:53 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  My friends tell me that I'm still diminishing my participation by registering as a Republican in a blue state like Maryland. I tell them, "Maybe so, but you will never get to experience voting for Ron Paul." Wink (Yeah, he'd be disastrous as President but it still feels good to vote for someone who actually still stands for their principles.)

(17-06-2011 06:07 AM)BnW Wrote:  I agree with you on Paul and I have a certain respect for him. I feel the same way about Nader and would vote for either one of them. I don't think either has a shot at ever winning but I'd much rather vote for someone who believes in something and will stand by that belief vs. completely compromise himself or herself to get elected.

My Democratic friends point out they often get to vote for Dennis Kucinich in the primary. Fair enough. Same thing.

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19-06-2011, 07:20 PM
RE: Ayn Rand and the schism in Republican Party
I was actually thinking of Mit Romney >.>""

I'm not a non believer, I believe in the possibility of anything. I just don't let the actuality of something be determined by a 3rd party.
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19-06-2011, 08:34 PM
RE: Ayn Rand and the schism in Republican Party
Well, if Mitt Romney believed that yesterday, you can rest assured he will believe something completely different tomorrow. I've never seen someone reverse his positions as often and as frequently as Romney. I can't believe he doesn't get more grief about it. During the campaigns leading up to the 2008 election I simply referred to him as "Flipper".

GirlyMan - I actually like Kucinich. I respect someone who is willing to stand by a position based on principle over expediency. He took a minor drop in my view when he agreed to vote for the health care bill but I could sort of see his point.

Some other politicians I have some respect for are:
Senator Tom Colburn, R, Oklahoma
Senator Carl Levin, D, Michigan
Senator Bernie Sanders, I, Vermont (and he's really a socialist).

There is a lot about all 3 of these guys that I don't agree with but, again, at this point I'm so much more interested in people who have shown some semblance of integrity in actually believing in something not because its popular or because it is paid for by lobbyists or because it will get them re-elected but because they honestly believe it is the right thing do to. It doesn't even matter to me anymore if I agree with their positions.

Oh, two exceptions to that rule as follows;
1) liars have no integrity, period. Once you are a proven liar you are a proven liar, I don't care how passionate you seem to be about your positions; and
2) you can't be bat-shit crazy. If you are sincere in your positions but you are completely and totally bat-shit crazy, well, integrity is great but sanity matters too.

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22-07-2011, 03:00 PM
RE: Ayn Rand and the schism in Republican Party
I think the Right in general doesn't get Rand, including some of those who cite her. She was a staunch minarchist and would object to virtually every policy move conservatives are making these days, since they all basically amount to big government dictates.

Gone are the days when one could honestly say there was a party that favored a strong central government, and a party that favored state power and rugged individualism. Both parties are now Big Government parties.

The only difference is how each party wants to use that power. The Left continues to push for a slew of entitlements. The Right increasingly pushes government power as the way to enforce a narrow Judeo-Christian morality on everyone, or even to put up a de facto Christian state religion.

Rand would object to all that in the strongest language.

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24-07-2011, 04:15 AM
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(14-06-2011 09:14 AM)FaceOfBoe Wrote:  Don't know if anyone saw this, but the "American Values Network" is bashing Ayn Rand. Believe what you want about her politics, or views on government, the tenant in this discussion is her views on religion and how proponents of religion in the public sector attack her on this basis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TxCWbTqz...r_embedded

Thanks for this. I had never head of Ayn Rand before. I am not sure I am going to agree with Ayn Rand but it is much better to read people you don't agree with to get you thinking. Should be refreshing.
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25-07-2011, 02:31 PM
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Never heard of Ayn Rand? Interesting.

I recommend reading "Atlas Shrugged". Great book. Or maybe "The Fountainhead", although I personally prefer "Atlas". They will tell you everything you need to know about her view of the world.

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28-07-2011, 09:37 AM
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(22-07-2011 03:00 PM)Apollonian Wrote:  I think the Right in general doesn't get Rand, including some of those who cite her. She was a staunch minarchist and would object to virtually every policy move conservatives are making these days, since they all basically amount to big government dictates.

Gone are the days when one could honestly say there was a party that favored a strong central government, and a party that favored state power and rugged individualism. Both parties are now Big Government parties.

The only difference is how each party wants to use that power. The Left continues to push for a slew of entitlements. The Right increasingly pushes government power as the way to enforce a narrow Judeo-Christian morality on everyone, or even to put up a de facto Christian state religion.

Rand would object to all that in the strongest language.

Great post. It says about all I feel. You have one party that wants the government to control your purse strings, and another to control your g strings. Both want to control you, but just in different ways.

I'm all for true freedom. Freedom to decide your economic destiny and to control your destiny to do with your body and mind as you see fit.

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